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Mark McClellan

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Subject : How to make two ply veneer
Posted : 2017-01-26 6:35 PM
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This forum is amazing, I am getting cross eyed reading everything. I am getting prepared to make a sunburst table top and I have learned a great deal and believe that I need to make a two ply veneer. OK here's my confusion. I'm not such a nugget that I can't understand what a two ply veneer is and that the two panels grains should run perpendicular if possible. But my question is what do I need to use for the let's call it the bottom veneer of the two ply. I have some paper backed veneer I could use, is that OK. If so, do I glue the wood or the paper to the top veneer layer? I read about the type of glue to use, the amount of press time and repair and sanding. Is there anything that one would consider of paramount importance I need to heed when making two ply. And please please everyone keep participating in this forum it is a great help to us rookies.


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: How to make two ply veneer
Posted : 2017-01-26 7:28 PM
Post #37547 - In reply to #37546
The first thing of paramount importance is to plan a test pressing of a sample two ply using inexpensive veneer. It can be a challenge, and if the starburst is big . . .


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: How to make two ply veneer
Posted : 2017-01-27 9:48 AM
Post #37548 - In reply to #37546
Mark, glad your enjoying the forum and all the information that's there. You mentioned making a sunburst table and I wanted to say that I don't really see the need for a two ply on a flat panel like you're making. What's your reasoning on this particular project?


 
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Mark McClellan

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Subject : RE: How to make two ply veneer
Posted : 2017-01-27 10:35 AM
Post #37549 - In reply to #37548
Darryl,
Thanks for the quick response. I thought I needed to make a two ply from some of the posts I read here but then again I read so many easy to get confused. Not having to make two ply makes my job easier and for that I'm grateful. I get the idea from some of the posts that if I wish to place a how do you say a border of complementary color veneer around the outside of the center panel I should tape it all together and do it all in one press. Just out of curiosity then, when does one need to use two ply veneer? And for future reference if I should have to make a two ply can I use paperbacked for the bottom piece and do I glue the paper side to the top veneer or substrate? Thanks again this forum is so helpful!!


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: How to make two ply veneer
Posted : 2017-01-27 6:11 PM
Post #37550 - In reply to #37546
How many pieces in your starburst, what wood and figure (ex African mahogany fiddleback), how wide the border, what type of wood and figure, and what will be the overall diameter with the border?


 
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Mark McClellan

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Subject : RE: How to make two ply veneer
Posted : 2017-01-28 10:11 AM
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Don,
Thanks for the interest, i'm afraid you are way ahead of me asking about what wood. Since this oval coffee table will be about 36x18 it will be the largest sunburst I have ever tried. that being said I will probably choose my veneer with a strong lean toward costs as i'm pretty good at screwing things up the first few tries. I found an old article in Fine Woodworking about putting the 2" contrasting veneer border around the outside of a sunburst. I will probably try to use that technique as it calls for gluing up the center to the substrate then using a router to trim and cut the area for the outside veneer which kinda scares me trying to route an area no deeper than the thickness of the veneer. So you can see why the cost of the veneer will be more important than its character because I can see a train wreck coming. I guess I could make a template to use a sharp knife to cut the center veneer edge and then cut the small border pieces tape them up and bag the entire piece all at once. My guess is that my joints on the between the center piece and the border pieces won't be anything to write home about so I'll probably have to route in some sort of accent 1/4" inlay to cover those joints. But unless I try ill never learn.
Mark


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: How to make two ply veneer
Posted : 2017-01-28 12:40 PM
Post #37552 - In reply to #37551
I use two ply predominately for curved work, not so much for flat projects. This way I can pre-sand the two ply in the flat so I'm only doing light sanding once its pressed in the curve. I always tape up all the components to a top which would include your 2" border. The only thing I would rout in later would be one of those manufactured inlays you can get, 1/8", 1/4" is what I often use as an accent. If the inlay is simply a strip of veneer then I include that when I'm taping up the top.


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: How to make two ply veneer
Posted : 2017-01-28 5:15 PM
Post #37553 - In reply to #37551
In addition to Darryl's dvd's and book, you might enjoy the dvd's by Paul Schurch. Cutting veneer with A 2" chisel really is as easy as he makes it look.

If you make straight cuts at the bottom of your starburst pieces, inside edges of your border straight cuts. If you want the starburst perimeter to be curved, draw the pattern on a single thickness piece of chip board from a local art supplies store; cut the chipboard on the pattern line with the chisel; place on the assembled starburst and cut along the edge of the pattern with the chisel; slide the inside edge of a border piece under the starburst and cut along the edge of the starburst with the chisel; and so on. Tint the urea formaldehyde adhesive dark and any small gaps will disappear after the glue squeezes into the gaps.

Of course, practice straight and curved cuts with the chisel on some scrap veneer first. . .


 
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Mark McClellan

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Subject : RE: How to make two ply veneer
Posted : 2017-01-29 10:34 AM
Post #37554 - In reply to #37551
Thanks everyone. This sting gets printed and placed in my veneering notes book. Wish me luck
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