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John Wiedmeyer

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Subject : Ceiling Panels
Posted : 2016-01-07 3:17 PM
Post #37419

I'm new to veneering and have an upcoming project that I need some advice on.

I'm going to be making some panels that are getting mounted to a ceiling. The size will be 2' to 8' long x 16" wide x 1 1/4" thick. The face and only one long edge will be visible. I plan on using mdf as the substrate. Because of weight issues, I do not want to use solid 1 1/4" mdf. I plan to use 1/2" mdf with a 2" wide strip of 3/4" mdf glued along the edge to give the 1 1/4". I need to veneer the edge before I before I veneer the face of the panel. I will be using a paper backed veneer with unibond adhesive.

So my questions:
Do I have to cover the whole backside before I glue on the 2" strip? or can I glue on the edge strip and just veneer the remaining 14" of the back of the panel?

Should I cover the bottom of the 2" strip also?

If I have to cover the entire back before I glue on the edge strip, can I veneer the back first, then the edge, and then the face? or do I need to veneer the back and the face at the same time for balance?

Thanks for any advice.


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: Ceiling Panels
Posted : 2016-01-07 6:54 PM
Post #37420 - In reply to #37419

How will you be clamping while the unibond cures?


 
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John Wiedmeyer

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Subject : RE: Ceiling Panels
Posted : 2016-01-07 7:43 PM
Post #37421 - In reply to #37420

Vacuum bag. I hope to do multiple panels at the same time, after I get everything figured out on the first ones.


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Ceiling Panels
Posted : 2016-01-08 11:06 AM
Post #37422 - In reply to #37419

It's always best to veneer both sides of the panel at the same time for better balance. Why do you need to veneer the edges first? Doesn't seem to make much difference if you veneered the edges last, at least as far as I can see.


 
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John Wiedmeyer

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Subject : RE: Ceiling Panels
Posted : 2016-01-08 12:42 PM
Post #37423 - In reply to #37422

The specs specified the the face was to overlap the edge. I also thought that veneering the edges last would be easier. If I was to do it this way, would I then veneer the front and back of the 1/2" mdf, glue on the edge strip, and then veneer the edge?


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Ceiling Panels
Posted : 2016-01-09 11:12 AM
Post #37425 - In reply to #37423

With veneer on the top and the edge you really can't see which went on first unless you scrutinize it closely. On a ceiling panel I think it's irrelevant.

The way you would lay things up is the same way I'd do it in this case.


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: Ceiling Panels
Posted : 2016-01-08 6:47 PM
Post #37424 - In reply to #37419

Given all your requirements, I might make up a couple test panels to see if the following leaves a flat result.

With the 1/2" and 3/4" 1/8" wider than final I'd glue them together with white or yellow glue and brads, keeping the common edge reasonably aligned. After the glue dries for a couple hours I'd trim the common edge to final width on the table saw.

I don't see a production approach to gluing the veneer on the 1 1/4" edge, or a way to vacuum bag the edge without a lot of checking and adjusting and drawing the vacuum in stages. And I wouldn't want to repeatedly mix up a dab of urea formaldehyde adhesive and veneer another edge. If it's not going to be subject to handling and wear, you might consider using white or yellow glue, cauls and clamps. Whatever adhesive you use on this exposed MDF core, you might consider brushing on a fairly wet coat, wait 5 minutes for it to be absorbed, and brush on a second coat and veneer.

After the glue cures and the veneer is trimmed, you can vacuum bag both sides of the 1/2" MDF at the same time. The distributor likely has some sort of backer grade paperbacked for the back side that will cost less than the show veneer.

Be sure to make a couple sample panels and some test destruction to evaluate, and a dry run or two before breaking out the adhesive.


 
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craig tufankjian

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Subject : RE: Ceiling Panels
Posted : 2016-01-10 1:06 PM
Post #37426 - In reply to #37419

How are you attaching the panels to the ceiling. Screws, z-clips, ect......


 
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John Wiedmeyer

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Subject : RE: Ceiling Panels
Posted : 2016-01-11 9:32 AM
Post #37427 - In reply to #37426

Thanks everyone for the advice.

Craig- The side with the finished edge will get glued and finish nailed. The other side will be screwed, and the screws covered by another panel.


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