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Keith Simmons

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Subject : Veneering ABS pipe
Posted : 2009-06-19 12:25 PM
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I'm a first time visitor to this site. I was directed here by my veneer supplier. I make custom furniture. I have limited experience with veneering. My current project involves veneering ABS pipe. I have scuffed the surface of the pipe with sandpaper and plan to use Tite Bond cold press veneer glue in a vacuum bag.
The veneer I'm using is called 'waterfall bubinga' which will require flattening. I plan to use the flattening solution I found in the archives here:
2 parts yellow glue
3 parts water
1 part glycerin
1 part denatured alcohol
I will then go through the flattening process as listed. If there is a better formula, I would like to know it. In your opinion will this glue adhere to the ABS pipe?
Thanks,
Keith


 
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Gerry

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Subject : RE: Veneering ABS pipe
Posted : 2009-06-19 6:51 PM
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It'll stick at first, but not sure it won't eventually come loose. There was an article in Fine Woodworking a few years ago that had veneer on ABS pipe. I think it was an entertainment center project.


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Veneering ABS pipe
Posted : 2009-06-20 9:59 AM
Post #35539 - In reply to #35534
Keith,

Titebond cold press glue will definitely not hold to ABS, even though you have scuff sanded. Polyurethane is probably your best bet. Even then I would do a test just to be sure. Epoxy may work as well.

Whats the diameter of the ABS pipe you will be using, are you veneering it completely around or just partially?

Darryl Keil


 
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Keith Simmons

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Subject : RE: Veneering ABS pipe
Posted : 2009-06-20 12:52 PM
Post #35541 - In reply to #35539
Darryl,
I'm making a pair of column covers.The customer has two 3 1/2" steel columns holding up a beam. He wants them covered with something a little more decorative.My plan is to veneer a piece of 4" ABS pipe, then split it on the joint line.
I went and found the article on Fine Woodworking mentioned by Gerry. That guy first veneered the pipe using epoxy glue, then veneered with the face veneer.At that point I could use the Tite-Bond glue.That should certainly work, alot more work though.
The only epoxy glue I'm familiar with is the little 2-part syringe dispenser type.I'm sure thats not what he used.Are you familiar with an epoxy that can be brushed or rolled?
Thanks for responding to the other post re: flattening solution.I did a sample both ways and the water and glycerin seemed to flatten the veneer just fine. The other sample hasn't dried enough yet to see the difference.

Thanks for your help,
Keith


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Veneering ABS pipe
Posted : 2009-06-20 1:37 PM
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Keith,

There are three commonly know laminating epoxies, The West System, probably the most common, System Three, and MAS. My local lumber yard carries The West System and I'll bet Home Depot has it. You can get any of them on line as well.

I would use a roller with any of these epoxies.

Darryl Keil


 
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Keith Simmons

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Subject : RE: Veneering ABS pipe
Posted : 2009-06-20 5:42 PM
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Darryl
Thanks for the info,I'll check 'em out.I live out in the sticks in Alaska and a lot of products that are readily available in the lower 48 are hard to find here.
Do you have any experience with resourcinol (sp?)? It says on the can it will bond to plastic and laminate.
Keith


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Veneering ABS pipe
Posted : 2009-06-20 6:04 PM
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Keith,

Although resorcinol is an excellent glue I doubt it will bond to PVC. What about Polyurethane, like Gorilla glue? They have that in Alaska, I assume.

Darryl Keil


 
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Keith Simmons

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Subject : RE: Veneering ABS pipe
Posted : 2009-06-20 9:16 PM
Post #35546 - In reply to #35545
Darryl
Yes, Gorilla glue is available here.It is so thick,it may be problematic trying to spread it.Have you ever tried to roll it?I've used it on mortise and tenon joints in log furniture before.It performed quite well on that.Never tried it in a vacuum bag.It shouldn't be able to do that 'foam'thing inside the bag.Can polyurethane glue be thinned?
You obviously doubt that resorcinol will work even though it says on the can it will bond to plastic and laminates.I will call their tech guys Mon. morning and see what they say.
The polyurethane could make a real mess with bleed through.
I know I've used a lot of your time on this.Your help is greatly appreciated as I want to do this right the first time.


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Veneering ABS pipe
Posted : 2009-06-21 12:09 PM
Post #35547 - In reply to #35546
Keith,

Yes, polyurethane is a little thick but I squirt it directly on the substrate and then spread it around with a piece of plastic laminate. You only need a very thin coat. If you keep the glue line thin the bleed through should be minimal.

If you use it, make sure to cover the veneered pipe with some drop cloth plastic (4mil polyethelene), so the glue does not get on the bag.

Darryl Keil
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