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Tim Eastman

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Subject : Veneering frame and panel door
Posted : 2019-12-18 6:22 AM
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We are reproducing several doors which were frame and panel doors. The backside frame and panels are all flush, with 1/8” veneer on top. There is potential wood movement under the veneer, but these doors were built in the 20’s and the veneer has held up very well. I think the key is that the veneer is thick enough that it has resisted movement; thinner veneers might telegraph through. Any thoughts are welcome.


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Veneering frame and panel door
Posted : 2019-12-18 12:32 PM
Post #37859 - In reply to #37858
Yes, thicker veneers do resist telegraphing but I do think at 1/8” the veneer itself can move too much. For a thicker veneers I like around 1/16


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: Veneering frame and panel door
Posted : 2019-12-19 7:49 AM
Post #37860 - In reply to #37858
You might consult "Undertanding Wood" by Bruce Hoadley to look for substrate wood that typically moves less during seasonal humidity changes. You might also look at flat versus rift versus quartersawn options. Commercially sawn quartered and rift lumber can be hard to find today, you might have to rip the edge(s) of wide flatsawn boards or make special arrangements with a small mill that can then kiln dry their work.


 
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Tim Eastman

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Subject : RE: Veneering frame and panel door
Posted : 2020-01-07 7:06 AM
Post #37861 - In reply to #37858
We will use 1/8” bending ply as the “ veneer. It is already stable and appears to be what the original doors had. One more question; although I prefer Unibond we may use Titebond III. Since the 1/8” bending ply is cross plyed I don’t think the moisture content should pose a problem. I hope!


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Veneering frame and panel door
Posted : 2020-01-07 5:59 PM
Post #37862 - In reply to #37861
For those of you reading this tread, Tim and I talked about his door over the phone. I ended up recommending he use epoxy as this frame and panel door has a 1/8” skin on only one side which tends to create an imbalanced construction, causing potential warping. Epoxy, although messy, will tend to be the best bet in helping not to exacerbate this imbalance.


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: Veneering frame and panel door
Posted : 2020-01-09 6:54 PM
Post #37863 - In reply to #37862
Many thanks Dr. D for updating and giving us the resolution to the original question.


 
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Tim Eastman

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Subject : RE: Veneering frame and panel door
Posted : 2020-01-10 7:06 AM
Post #37864 - In reply to #37863
Darryl:
You will find this amusing. Since I don’t run my own business any more I need to listen to my shop manager. I told him about my concerns and yours about using Titebond but he did not want to spend money on epoxy. The results were entirely predictable so we needed to make another door!
As do so many others I greatly appreciate your knowledge and the tremendous help you have been over the years.


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Veneering frame and panel door
Posted : 2020-01-10 12:52 PM
Post #37866 - In reply to #37864
That is definitely amusing and a rather expensive lesson for your shop manager....much more than the cost of some epoxy. Even with the epoxy I’m not a fan of the imbalanced construction on the door. Hopefully the epoxy will minimize it.
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