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don15

 
Subject : slippage
Posted : 2006-08-14 7:06 AM
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when veneering doors and slab fronts I have had the veneer move as
I attivated the bag. It slips side ways enough so it is off center enough to show the sub straight.I've never had this happen before and am looking for ways to prevent it .
It's starting to get really annoying


 
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Scott

 
Subject : RE: slippage
Posted : 2006-08-15 12:43 PM
Post #33334 - In reply to #33315

I do a lot of Federal furniture with extremely complicated layups using framed ovals , inlays , crossband borders etc. The standard answer here would be to make the panel larger in size and to cut it to fit later. On my panels however this cannot always be done as they are seldom flat and many times curved or even ogee shaped panels curving both ways. One small slip of the smallest amount and the panel is waste. Often times I am using sequenced expensive veneers and failure is not an option. For this reason I have started using hot hide glue and hammer veneering. You can simply reheat the glue with an iron and move the veneer until it is correct. I find it almost as easy as vaccum bag veneering once you get used to it. For large flat panels Vaccum bag veneering is the only way to go. I have often thought that there must be a way to pin the veneer with very small brads and to cut of the brad sticking out of the wood, but I have never tried it. Maybe someone else has a method. Would love to hear one. Scott


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: slippage
Posted : 2006-08-15 7:55 PM
Post #33336 - In reply to #33315

Don,

I've had great success with a roll of stretch wrap. One of those 5" wide ones.

I wrap both ends of the panel and don't have any slippage at all.

Sincerely
Darryl Keil


 
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Travis N. Beard

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Subject : RE: slippage
Posted : 2006-08-24 10:36 PM
Post #33361 - In reply to #33336

Do you apply the stretch wrap on the outside of the cauls, prior to putting the sandwich in the bag? I was thinking of using some extra paper tape on my veneer and tape it to the edges (solid wood banding) next to it prior to placing the caul on top. Might this help prevent slippage?


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: slippage
Posted : 2006-08-25 7:26 AM
Post #33362 - In reply to #33361

Travis,

Yes, I put the stretch wrap on the outside of the cauls prior to putting the sandwich in the bag. If you secure the caul to the panel I don't think you need the extra paper tape but it sure wouldn't hurt.

Sincerely
Darryl Keil


 
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Enrico Konig

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Subject : RE: slippage
Posted : 2006-08-16 11:03 AM
Post #33338 - In reply to #33315

I used to have a lot of slippage problems also. I'm doing a lot of multiple layer curved panels, veneered both sides. Now when I start laying up, first I put registration marks on everything, including the cauls. Then I use a couple of small pieces of packing tape to hold the veneer in the proper position, in a place that will be trimmed off. The sandwich is built, top caul put into position, and then I use a couple of brads centred on each side, top and bottom. Before I shoot the brads, I clamp the sandwich together at those spot to avoid locking in any voids. Obviously I'm building oversize, and only use the brads in an area that will be later trimmed.

Then I lift this complete sandwich onto the form. The bottom caul has already been registered onto the form, and since it is wider than the sandwich I am able to use a couple of screws through this caul into the form to hold the entire sandwich exactly where it needs to be.

May sound like quite a bit of work, but it works perfectly every time. And now that I've got the system down, it goes very fast. Before, trying to hold everything together and in place through the bag while the vacuum was being applied was often a nightmare. (My sandwiches are often 12 to 16 layers.) Often had to reopen the bag and try to slide everything back in place while the clock was ticking away. Way less stressful now.

Enrico




 
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Jeff Patrick


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Subject : RE: slippage
Posted : 2006-08-25 4:59 PM
Post #33363 - In reply to #33338

I too use a brad whenever and wherever I can. It's not always possible but when it is, there is no slippage. When glueing up curved panels I do the core first and they can be nailed anywhere. Simply file the brad off smooth before doing the veneer layer.


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: slippage
Posted : 2006-08-27 12:07 PM
Post #33366 - In reply to #33315

Generally I have found clear packing tape to be enough to hold veneer to flat substrates, although occasionally I have had some slippage. After using generic Staples packing tape for a couple years I switched earlier this year to 3M as it's slightly heavier and doesn't tear into strips as quickly. I also remove the packing tape as soon as the sandwich is removed from the vacuum bag rather than the next day.

To protect the veneer during packing tape removal, I generally add 2" veneer tape to all the veneer edges so that the packing tape is on the veneer tape and not raw veneer.


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