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Mad_WOrld

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Subject : Limiting squeeze out
Posted : 2009-04-23 8:07 PM
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Hi all, new here but I've been lurking for a few months now.
I've did a search on this but couldn't find any helpful answers.
I used Unibond 800 to veneer some lacewood on about 10 strips of wood (1 1/4"x 1 1/4"x 30" ) and now I'm want to use Unibond to glue all the pieces together in a staggered layout, each piece sticks out/in from the one next to it.
I'm wanting to control as much squeeze out as possible to reduce the sanding/scraping to the work piece. The veneer is thin and I don't want to sand through it.
If I lay tape down will this keep the Unibond from adhering to the top of the work piece? Or will this just make a mess to work with? Can I use blue tape or should I use packing tape or is there something better.
I know to not use to much Unibond on the work piece but there will always be squeeze out. I plan on putting on just enough so I can pull my finger through it and get some small ridges to form in the glue.
I hope the picture helps to explain what I'm talking about.

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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: Limiting squeeze out
Posted : 2009-04-24 8:02 AM
Post #35358 - In reply to #35357

I've not used Unibond to edge glue wood strips, and have to ask if you've considered other glues for this. I'd certainly suggest some experimenting first.
I think if you use that much Unibond, even on just one surface of each joint, there will be considerable squeezeout. Likely there will also be quite a bit of slippage as the pieces are clamped. You'll need to have the top surfaces almost perfectly aligned if you want a flat surface at the end, as you won't be able to sand/plane out any unevenness.
A rub joint using hot hide glue, or second liquid hide glue, would seem to me the best approach, as clamps aren't needed. The first day I'd only glue one pair of strips together, then each additional day add one additional strip to one side or the other. Glueup will be spread out over a number of days, but you'll have strong joints that if well prepared are very tight, and you'll be able to align the top surface almost perfectly. (Clamping cauls can be used with any glue, but if there is squeezeout the cauls will spread the glue over the surface and push it down into the wood.) But this assumes the strips are perfectly flat over their lengths, with no twist.
An alternative approach would be to glue up the strips first using any type of glue and cauls, and after curing flatten the surface. Separately assemble the lacewood surface. Glue the veneer assembly onto the strip assembly, and when cured remove the veneer from the voids using any of several methods - pattern routing, knifing close and careful rasping and sanding, . . . This latter approach is not easy, but there are a number of challenges to getting the desired result with the first approach. With the latter approach, again significant testing is suggested to see which method would minimize tearing and chipping when removing the veneer from the voids.
Given all the challenges, this might be a situation better addressed with solid wood than with veneer.


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Limiting squeeze out
Posted : 2009-04-24 9:47 AM
Post #35359 - In reply to #35357

I think the simplest approach is just to clean up the squeeze out after you clamp it up. Since its not in a vacuum bag you should have pretty full access to the glue joints. If you get to it right away Unibond 800 will clean up with water and a rag, just like yellow glue. At a certain point that catalization process will have gone too far and then water clean up will not work. If you do decide to use Unibond 800 a sanded surface on solid wood is best for adhesion. On veneer this is unnecessary.

If you would share your name, its nice to know who we're talking to.

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Mad_WOrld

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Subject : RE: Limiting squeeze out
Posted : 2009-04-24 12:04 PM
Post #35361 - In reply to #35359

Don,
I've tried edge gluing with Unibond on smaller pieces but this is 10 times the size so I don't really know how well it will work.I've preplanned the pieces before I applied the veneer to it so I will have a better chance of getting the top almost perfectly aligned.This piece is going in to a hot and humid area so I don't think hide glue will work for me. Think mini sauna.I'm going for a staggered look with the grain. I'm hoping that as you look at it from different angles it will give you a different pattern that looks contrasting to each piece. Because of this I need to veneer individual strips to each piece.Where I screwed up is that once I veneered all the pieces I scraped and sanded all the pieces to remove the bleed through, I then smacked myself in the head and realized that I would need to do that again after I assembled the whole thing.
Darryl,
Will Unibond 800 give me a strong edge to edge joint? If I do use tape to help keep squeeze out to a minimum, would Unibond seep under the tape or migrate through the pores at the edge and come up under the tape?I plan on cleaning the Unibond off with water and a rag like you suggested but I would like to know for future reference.
Lon


 
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Subject : RE: Limiting squeeze out
Posted : 2009-04-24 12:00 PM
Post #35360 - In reply to #35357

I'm confused. from the picture attached it looks like you are gluing up solid wood that has been veneered already. would that be correct?

you veneered these pieces with lace wood and now you want to glue them all together but don't want the glue to squeeze out on the top? is that correct?

if so, there is a way to eliminate squeeze out all together. but if i have your project wrong there is no need to explain.

please confirm


 
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Mad_WOrld

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Subject : RE: Limiting squeeze out
Posted : 2009-04-24 12:08 PM
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Yes and yes, you have it correct.
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Subject : RE: Limiting squeeze out
Posted : 2009-04-24 12:36 PM
Post #35363 - In reply to #35362

the attached drawing should explian it.

by making small saw kerf on the sides being glued this will trap the squeeze out when you apply clamp pressure. the width of your blade by 1/16th deep is all you need. do not apply glue above or below the saw kerfs as this will defeat the purpose. make the kerf as close to the surface as possible.

if the ends are to be exposed then you will have to use stopped kerfs. the end pieces of course will have kerf's only on one side.

I think you will have more problems making sure that when you are all glued up that the faces of each piece are perfectly flush with one another. any deviation in the surface and you will most certainly sand thru the veneer. unless you have these pieces biscuit jointed.



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