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john sincerbeaux

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Subject : Perfect borders on square and round panels?
Posted : 2005-12-02 11:33 PM
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I have been practicing Marquetry for about two years now and have made many jewelry boxes with Marquetry tops which I sell through galleries and stores. (I will try to attach a few pics to this thread) I am now eager to employ my marquetry to larger pieces such as small tables. But, I am so mystified on how to achieve such perfect symetrical borders on both round and square panels. Do most people create the panel with the border/filletti attached then laminate the entire panel, or is it a multi step process. I was taught (by Paul Schurch) to create the entire panel then laminate it. But this process seems to be so tenuous because if your registration of the panel to substrate is not PERFECT, you are doomed. I have had trouble in the past with perfectly mitered borders matching perfectly to the substrate. Also I can't imagine doing a beautiful starburst (with border) panel only to find out it was not symetrically perfect after it was laminated. Any techniques, books, or classes on this subject would be greatly appreciated.
John Sincerbeaux


 
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Brian Gray

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Subject : RE: Perfect borders on square and round panels?
Posted : 2005-12-03 9:12 AM
Post #32604 - In reply to #32602

When centering a skin to a round panel, I use a plumb bob.

Hang the bob so that it will hover just above your skin, and center your skin. Tape the skin to the tabletop so it doesn't move. Then place the substrate centered below the bob on top of the skin.

I like to leave my skin larger than the substrate. It gives me a place to register blocks that I hot melt glue in place. Once the skin is placed perfectly, I hot melt glue blocks to the overhanging skin. This way, I can take the skin off the substrate, (as I will use it as a template to cut the backer veneer), and it will always return to right place. Try and put the hot melt glue on the block and the skin only...keep it off the substrate...or else you won't be able to remove the skin.

With this technique, however, you will need to press the piece with the skin face down in the press.

What I mentioned above really works well with round panels.

For square or rectangular, I won't bother to try and center the marquetry perfectly to a pre-sized panel...instead, I'll leave the substrate bigger then intended, and then trim. Typically, if I have nicely mitered corners on the edge, or something else that needs to be perfectly matched and centered, I will press the piece on a substrate that is oversized on all four sides.

I won't really care if the piece is centered well. From here, I will use a circular saw with an edge guide (Festool, my preference...SUPER clean cut.) to make the first cut right along the edge of the marquetry, and establish the first side...then a crosscut sled at the table saw to establish a right angle for the next edge, and then finish up at the table saw for the remaining edges.

This is how I do it, there might be some other techniques...

Good luck


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: Perfect borders on square and round panels?
Posted : 2005-12-03 7:23 PM
Post #32608 - In reply to #32604

Brian's explanation is very good. If possible, include in the design an outer border at least an inch wide, and I'm not sure a slight variation would be detectable. If accuracy is a must, make the substrate oversize as Brian explained and trim to perfection. If edging the substrate with hardwood before gluing on the skin, include a trim allowance in the width of the edging.


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Perfect borders on square and round panels?
Posted : 2005-12-04 7:30 PM
Post #32614 - In reply to #32602

John,

I'm with Brian about cutting my veneer and panel oversized and then trimming afterward. Much easier. Personally I do the same with round work as well.

Another reason for this method is I make a point to never have my veneer go over my edging. I like to capture the face veneer by putting the edging on last. This solid edging, even if its only 1/8", protects the veneer from getting damaged or chipped down the road.

Sincerely
Darryl Keil


 
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john sincerbeaux

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Subject : RE: Perfect borders on square and round panels?
Posted : 2005-12-06 1:34 AM
Post #32621 - In reply to #32614

Thank you all for your invaluable info. I can' wait to try some larger work.
John


 
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Brian Gray

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Subject : RE: Perfect borders on square and round panels?
Posted : 2005-12-06 9:59 PM
Post #32625 - In reply to #32621

One other thing that has come to mind regarding this...

I've been tempted to use a laser pointer in place of the plumb bob for the operation that I mentioned with round table tops above.

You would need to make sure the the laser pointer is mounted fairly plumb, however. If it was off, it might make the laser position deflect slightly as your thickness changes, but I can't imagine it would be real significant.

They do make laser plumb bobs...that would be perfect for this application if you own one...not sure what they cost, but I probably wouldn't spend the money unless I was doing a lot more light construction....

Just thinking out loud...


 
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Jim Mc

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Subject : RE: Perfect borders on square and round panels?
Posted : 2005-12-09 9:42 AM
Post #32630 - In reply to #32625

Brian: Laser PB's are available at Home Depot (on sale $54). Found it by Googling "laser plumb bob." J.


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