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Jason

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Subject : burl dining table
Posted : 2013-11-30 2:15 PM
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The dining table will be a burl of some sort (client is still deciding on species). Possibly camphor burl?
The veneer supplier will have all ready treated and pressed the burl flat. The burl will be cold pressed (venturi press)on a baltic birch subcore.
I understand that I should use Unibond 800 on both my top veneer and bottom veneer to prevent cupping issues with two different glue rigidities.
My question is how sensitive is the Unibond 800 to curing temperatures?
I have heating blankets on the top of my press. Is there a formula, system, or past experience someone could educate me with Burls and Unibond 800?
Thank you.
Jason


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: burl dining table
Posted : 2013-11-30 6:21 PM
Post #37054 - In reply to #37053

The recommendation I've always seen for plastic resin glues like Unibond 800 is a minimum temp of 70 deg F until the glue is rigid (24 hrs). Curing is faster as temp is increased. I now raise furnace thermostat to 74 deg F the night before so the veneer, core, bag and everything else is 74 deg, then the heating blanket is a nice curing enhancer rather than an absolute necessity. I used to raise thermostat that morning to 70 with heating blanket on top of the bag, so of course the grooved platen, supporting table, core all were below 70 and heating blanket was a necessity. Never had a failure that way, but more conservative now. Also nice to warm the water mixed with the powder to 70-75 deg.


 
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Jason

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Subject : RE: burl dining table
Posted : 2013-11-30 7:34 PM
Post #37055 - In reply to #37054

Thank you Don for the information.
I like the idea of warm water for the Unibond mix!
Basically keep the ambient temp of the shop and platten warm (above 70 degrees).



 
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Tom Eaves

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Subject : RE: burl dining table
Posted : 2013-12-01 8:36 AM
Post #37057 - In reply to #37055

Jason,
You cannot add water to Unibond800 as it is a liquid resin and a powdered catalyst mix. Don is referring to the dry glue mix that you add water too. Tom



 
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Enrico Konig

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Subject : RE: burl dining table
Posted : 2013-12-01 9:52 AM
Post #37058 - In reply to #37057

Burls are often extremely brittle and thus difficult to cut without chipout, no matter how sharp your saw. It's good that your supplier is going to make sure your sheets are flat, but chances are you'll have to use a veneer softener anyhow. It's a bit of a time-consuming process to press the sheets with paper in between for the six or so paper changes that will be necessary to get the wood down to an acceptable moisture level again, but the ease with which you will be able to thereafter cut the burl makes it much worthwhile.

As far as pressing temps go, I cannot justify heating my 1500 sq ft shop for a day before and then for the whole actual pressing up to 70+ degrees. Heating blankets (or better yet, a heating pad) have never caused a problem in the hundreds of winter pressings I've done, and saves a lot of heating money. I actually prefer pressing in the winter months because with the ambient shop temp being cooler than normal, the mixed glue has a longer open time.


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: burl dining table
Posted : 2013-12-01 6:14 PM
Post #37059 - In reply to #37057

Thanks for correcting my error. Do not add water to Unibond 800.


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