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125250

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Subject : Two questions.
Posted : 2008-02-02 12:20 PM
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Does veneer tape go bad? I have some that I can not get it to activate. It has been sitting for a couple of years. Should I have put it in a sealable bag?
Also, I bought some sequenced walnut burl from woodcraft to practice making the four way bookmatch like Darryl made in the video. When I took the veneer out of the package I had a hard time lining them up. I was careful to keep it in order and number it. I am wondering if you must really look for a sequence of veneers that match up well. I cut the first four pieces after lining up some landmarks, but the figure really doesn't match up on pieces 2 and 4 (1 and 3 look great). The veneer seems to be thick compared to others I have experimented with. Can figure change that much to not match up? I built the router jig and it works fantastic. The seams are inperceptible. Thank you guys. Looking forward to everyone's answers.


 
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craig tufankjian

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Subject : RE: Two questions.
Posted : 2008-02-02 1:00 PM
Post #34351 - In reply to #34350

hi,

In the spirit of "mathematical names" I have decided to call myself "007".
I know, its not original , but is sounds better that r2d2.


anyway, yes veneer tape can go bad over time if not stored in an air tight bag. zip lock baggie should solve that problem.

as for sequence, the thickness of only four sheets should not change the appearance that much. they could of been jumbled up during the shipping process. rare.... but it can happen.

next time do a dry fit lay out to get a rough idea if something is way off.


007....out


 
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Subject : RE: Two questions.
Posted : 2008-02-02 4:00 PM
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Thanks for your help Craig. My name is Glen, nice to meet you. I went through all six pieces and the top three just didn't seem to match the bottom three, but you could see parts that all six hand in common. I'm a rookie. lol


 
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craig tufankjian

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Subject : RE: Two questions.
Posted : 2008-02-02 5:06 PM
Post #34353 - In reply to #34352

hi glen,

even at six pieces there should be no large change of pattern. your veneer is probably 1/42nd thick.

I assume you were trying a four piece match? are your joints at a 90 degree? sometimes that may cause a problem as well

did it come from woodcraft in a plastic package? if so, it could of been a return and some one else shuffled the deck on you.

dont get discouraged though. happens to everybody at on time or another


 
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Subject : RE: Two questions.
Posted : 2008-02-02 6:21 PM
Post #34354 - In reply to #34353

It did come from woodcraft. I am not sure what happened, but the good news is the seams are very nice. I know the veneer is really thick compared to some other that I have. Here are some pics of pieces 1 and 3 in the first pic and 2 and 4 in the second. Third pic is the jig I built. I wanted to make a small and make sure it is built properly before doing the bigger version.
Attached file : 000_00021.jpg (20KB - 128 downloads)
Attached file : 000_00061.jpg (22KB - 152 downloads)
Attached file : 000_00071.jpg (27KB - 169 downloads)



 
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Subject : RE: Two questions.
Posted : 2008-02-04 7:39 PM
Post #34358 - In reply to #34354

I have sometimes seen several sheets of burl where the edges apparently were not trimmed together. When trying for a book match, it might be best to use landmarks in the sheets (small holes, unique figure, ...) to stack the sheets aligned with each other, tape the bundle with masking tape, and then trim what will be the inside edges.

Some pattern shifting is also normal with sheets of veneer. Sometimes it is insignificant over four sheets, but sometimes there is enough shift to be slightly noticeable.

Say you have four consecutive sheets that you've numbered 1, 2, 3, and 4 on a common corner. If you assemble the four sheets into a double book match (clockwise or counterclockwise) 1-2-3-4, you have a common edge between sheets 1 and 2, between sheets 2 and 3, between sheets 3 and 4, and finally between sheets 4 and 1. The first three seams have a "jump" of one (1 and 2, et cetera) but the last seam has a "jump" of three (4 and 1). If there were a significant pattern shift between sheets, the matches might look slightly better if the sheets were layed out (clockwise or counterclockwise) 1-3-4-2. With this layout, the largest "jump" is 2 instead of 3.

Pattern shift rarely might be a problem with only four sheets in a double book match, but can be significant in a radial match of 16 or more sheets.


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