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Don Stephan

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Subject : Veneering Solid Wood Drawer Fronts
Posted : 2008-01-01 11:52 AM
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The Jan 2008 issue of Fine Woodworking includes a construction description of a handsome spice chest. Ten of the drawer fronts have crotch veneer, and one burl veneer, glued to 1/2" solid wood drawer fronts.

The Reader's Gallery section of the same issue shows a highboy and a chest of drawers, each of which likely has veneer glued to solid wood drawer fronts.

It would seem necessary to do this, as the drawer fronts on all of these pieces should be half blind dovetails. For strength and appearance, this joint requires solid wood drawer fronts. Highly figured wood makes the drawer front dramatic; but solid wood crotch, burl and swirl are not thought to be stable enough or strong enough for drawer fronts and dovetail joints.

As a general rule, it is expected that solid wood should not be veneered unless the wood types and grain direction are identical and both have relatively straight grain. Normal expansion/contraction wood movement in a solid wood substrate would often be more than strong enough to crack or buckle the veneer, even if applied with a strong, rigid glue.

And of course, balancing of stresses requires in general that both sides of substrates have similar veneer.

Highly figured veneer (crotch, burl, and even swirl) aren't relatively straight grain. Drawer fronts, even with half blind dovetails, need not be more than 3/4" thick (large drawers) or 1/2" thick (spice chest drawers), but 3/4" should be more than thick enough to crack veneer surfaces. A straight grained balancing veneer on the back side of a drawer front wouldn't seem to help a burl or crotch front veneer resist substrate movement.

I'd like to be able to rather confidently include highly figured veneered drawer fronts on furniture, and don't want to make a couple test pieces and wait five years to see if they crack.

Anyone have any observations and/or experience on the topic? Thanks.


 
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Subject : RE: Veneering Solid Wood Drawer Fronts
Posted : 2008-01-02 2:46 PM
Post #34225 - In reply to #34224

Don, I build period furniture reproductions with this situation all the time and struggled with this very issue myself. Antique pieces which were built with solid wood substrate did and do crack the veneer! Especially crotch woods. It will happen if you use solid wood. What I do is use MDF as a substrate, balance veneer and glue solid wood edge blocks on so that you have solid wood to cut the dovetails into. If its a federal piece I just use a thicker block for **** beading and just bead the last 1/8" that shows on the front of the drawer. Never had a crack or a problem and some of my pieces are over 10 years old in a New England house. (dry winters and humid summers.) Hope this helps


 
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Subject : RE: Veneering Solid Wood Drawer Fronts
Posted : 2008-02-19 11:05 AM
Post #34394 - In reply to #34225

Scott

My thought on a sideboard i am doing with crotch mahog drawer fronts and door fronts is to do the main bulk of the panels with MDF and then butt-joint 1" wide strips of mahog around the perimeter (maybe use biscuits to join to MDF). Then I would sand seams/joints flush, and do the front with a sandwich of crotch mahog, backed by Sipo (cheap qtr sawn mahog substitute, and do the back sides with two layers of Sipo (cross-banded).

Does this sound sensible to you?

Thanks,

Bill Balz
William@calare.com


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Veneering Solid Wood Drawer Fronts
Posted : 2008-01-03 6:52 PM
Post #34226 - In reply to #34224

Don,

I would approach this issue similar to the way Scott did. Veneering a highly figured wood on top of solid is just asking for trouble. You can see the results of this by examining antiques built this way all the time. Just because its old doesn't mean they built it right.

If I was going to veneer on top of solid I would make sure to cross band with a thick backer veneer and use as stable a solid wood as I could get, like quarter sawn mahogany.

Darryl


 
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Subject : RE: Veneering Solid Wood Drawer Fronts
Posted : 2008-01-04 1:03 PM
Post #34227 - In reply to #34226

Darryl, would the 1/16" veneer from Certainly Wood be adequate for this as the "thick veneer"? Look at the construction of lumber core plywood. I don't think the outside veneer crack and split. Just my $.02.

Dave


 
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Subject : RE: Veneering Solid Wood Drawer Fronts
Posted : 2008-01-05 7:16 PM
Post #34231 - In reply to #34224

Scott, Darryl, Dave:

Thanks for the input! Scott's approach is novel, one I certainly would never have developed on my own. Think I'd have to try to incorporate splines to join the hardwood ends to the MDF, and exercise some care chopping dovetails to not stress that spined joint. And the back veneer will certainly help hold the assembly together and resist stresses. But it's a great solution.

Regarding Dave's analogy to plywood, it seems to me that all the layers are relatively thin, and the interior layers presumably are of a species selected to work well in cross-banding. The show veneers are extremely thin compared to the interior layers and I wouldn't expect them to be able to apply significant stress on the core. But his comments help me keep everything in context.

Any more feedback would also be greatly appreciated. Thanks all.


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