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Brian Gray

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Subject : Plastic resin and urea resin formaldehyde...
Posted : 2004-12-07 2:40 PM
Post #31903

Is plastic resin and urea resin formaldehyde glue the same products?

I know that Unibond is a urea resin formaldehyde, and I often hear people interchange the term "plastic resin" and "urea resin formaldehyde".

Are they the same?

Thanks,

bg


 
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tom wilkinson

 
Subject : RE: Plastic resin and urea resin formaldehyde...
Posted : 2004-12-07 2:47 PM
Post #31904 - In reply to #31903

I have used both and while the properties are said to be the same I have had probelms with the plastic resing glue. I recently glued a 3 layer bent lamination for some chair backs using layers of 1/8" mahogany. All parts were in the press for 12 hours. The 3 that I did with plastic resin glue moved drastically after removing them from the press. The 5 done with unibond held their shape just fine.

I don't know if the difference is that the plastic resin glue (I used the DAP brand) is mixed with water and it takes longer to evaporate that the solvents (or whatever they are) in unibond but I won't be using that glue again. I will be trying the pro-bond brand urea formaldehyde glue that Paul Schurch sells due to the fact that it is supposed to have lower VOC's.


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Plastic resin and urea resin formaldehyde...
Posted : 2004-12-09 10:05 AM
Post #31908 - In reply to #31903

Brian,

Plastic Resin is just a common name for Urea Formaldehyde Resin glue. Plastic Resin usually denotes the powdered version where Unibond 800 is a liquid version. Plastic Resin usually has a much higher water content since you're adding water to reconstitute it. This is probably the reason Tom had the extra movement with the Plastic Resin and not the Unibond 800.

Tom, I appreciate you search for a Urea Resin glue with less formaldehyde. We too, have worked on this. At this point we have found that Urea glues with less formaldehyde do not bond as well at room temperature. In a hot press low formaldehyde glues work quite well. We also use liquids other than water in Unibond 800 to aid in performance, this adds to making it stinky. Although I would like to produce a veneering and laminating glue that is more environmentally friendly our first priority is high performance.

Formaldehyde is a substance that is used in countless application to improve performance with excellent results. I heard from a reliable source they even put formaldehyde in beer.

Sincerely
Darryl Keil





 
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Gordon Taylor

 
Subject : RE: Plastic resin and urea resin formaldehyde...
Posted : 2004-12-09 11:51 AM
Post #31909 - In reply to #31908

Budweiser?


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Plastic resin and urea resin formaldehyde...
Posted : 2004-12-10 12:19 PM
Post #31913 - In reply to #31909

Gordon,

You would think if there was formaldehyde in any beer it would be Bud! Is that why its less filling?

My source didnt mention any brands so I cant confirm. I wonder what's in pure sparkling spring water.

Sincerely
Darryl Keil


 
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Brian Gray

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Subject : RE: Plastic resin and urea resin formaldehyde...
Posted : 2004-12-09 4:50 PM
Post #31911 - In reply to #31908

Thanks everyone...that's exactly what I needed to hear.

bg


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