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davetinley

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Subject : Dyeing veneer ??
Posted : 2004-05-25 9:56 AM
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I would like to dye some veneer for accenting projects. I am supposing that I can use solarlux or Transtint.
Are there any other choices, procedures or better veneers to use??
Since I now have a vacuum veneer press (Woodcraft), I have come up with all kinds of ideas.

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Dave


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Dyeing veneer ??
Posted : 2004-05-26 9:30 PM
Post #31563 - In reply to #31557

Dave,

Believe it or not, Rit dye from the grocery store works very well. Boil it in a pressure cooker works the best as far as I know.

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Darryl Keil


 
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Brian Gray

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Subject : RE: Dyeing veneer ??
Posted : 2004-05-26 9:46 PM
Post #31564 - In reply to #31557

Actually, I've had great success with RIT dye without the pressure cooker.

I tried both the liquid and powder, just as a test, and they both worked well.

I simply put them in a large pan, then went to the oven at about 120 degrees.

Four or five hours did the trick.

I used anigre, and had no troubles. My assumption is that certain species might react different, but anigre worked well for me, and so I'm sticking to it when I dye.

Something with a tighter grain might require the pressure cooker, but I'm not going to bother, seeing as though I found a species that works.

I have a complete set of the TransTint dyes, and they are way too expensive to set up in a large pan to do veneers on a large scale, if you ask me. They are great for matching species, and general staining.

Hope this helps,

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Brian Gray

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Subject : RE: Dyeing veneer ??
Posted : 2004-05-26 10:10 PM
Post #31565 - In reply to #31564

also, we had a thread similar to this a while back, but it is buried on other pages....you might want to give it a read for more info...

http://www.vacupress.com/forum/thread-view.asp?threadid=16017&posts=11


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : re:Dyeing Veneers
Posted : 2004-06-02 9:02 PM
Post #31573 - In reply to #31565

Thought the following excerpt from "The Complete Manual of Wood Veneering" by William Lincoln describing commercial dying of veneers might be interesting. It appears on pages 71-72 of the 1995 reprint of the 1984 edition.

(No opinion is being expressed, the following is offered solely because it is germane to the discussion and for anyone who might be interested.)


"... In practice, the veneer craftsman who intends to tacke making his own harewood or dyed woods, should equip himself with a pH meter, in order to control the three variables (a) the veneer, (b) the water supply and (c) the dyebath solution."

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"This is how dyed veneers are produced commercially.
"a. Selected veneers are placed in an autoclave under vacuum pressure to remove the air, and free cell water from the veneers, and also much of the resins, tyloses, tannin, etc., which would hinder complete penetration.
"b. The pH readings are taken and the three components scientifically adjusted for neutralised and de-mineralised water; the veneer and the dyebath acidity/alkalinity adjustments made.
"c. When the vacuum process is complete, valves are opened to permit the dyestuffs to fill the autoclave, and obtain partial penetration.
"d. A re-circulating process begins in which the dye is fed from the (sometimes heated) reservoir tank, through the autoclave to assist penetration.
"e. The pressure pump now applies up to 120 psi, (351.19 Kg/cm2) for maximum prenetration, and this is maintained for a calculated length of time.
"f. The autoclave is emptied and the veneers rinsed thoroughly.
"g. They are then given a Fixanol PN (ICI) treatment for one hour at 50 degrees C to fix the surface colour. The colour tends to migrate to the surface and be a darker shade than the centre of the veneer. However, when laid, sanded and polished the shade of colour is restored and this is taken into account.
"From the above description, the home veneer craftsman can see that attempts to satisfactorily dye veneers in a tin bath are not likely to obtain the desired results!"


 
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Eric

 
Subject : re:Dyeing Veneers
Posted : 2004-06-04 1:34 PM
Post #31578 - In reply to #31573

Marc Adams http://www.marcadams.com/videos.shtml has a marquetry video which I belive covers dyeing veneer as well as several other techniques. Its good to have along with Daryl's and a few other videos on the subject.


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