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Don Stephan

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Subject : Cutting the Leaves for a Radial Match
Posted : 2003-10-13 8:50 PM
Post #31034

In his excellent article on veneer matching (Fine Woodworking No. 111, April 1995), Mr. Pollaro said he cuts the first leaf only, then uses it to match grain and mark each of the remaining leaves, and then cuts each additional leaf individually.

Does anyone cut the leaves in batch? If so, could you share some essential secrets, such as how to hold them all together and keep from moving? And would you cut an entire stack of 32 at once (minus the four leaves that will meet on the diameter, as explained in the prior post)?

Thanks. Seems like a fair bit of black magic must be involved in this.

Don



 
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Subject : RE: Cutting the Leaves for a Radial Match
Posted : 2003-10-14 8:53 PM
Post #31036 - In reply to #31034

Had some very inexpensive veneer I had previously purchased for experimenting, so started cutting a 24 piece starburst match this afternoon. Started with the first sheet to find a pleasing segment, then started through the stack marking and trimming one side of each of the remaining 23 sheets. The pattern was shifting a bit from sheet to sheet, and by about sheet # 22 my pattern choice was running off the side of the sheet. So back to the first sheet to start re-trimming. Wouldn't it be advisable to find a desirable pattern with a sheet in the middle of the stack, and then check the placement of that pattern on the first and last sheets of veneer


 
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Roger Barga

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Subject : RE: Cutting the Leaves for a Radial Match
Posted : 2003-10-15 8:05 PM
Post #31037 - In reply to #31036

I consider myself a beginner at veneering but have successfully cut three radial match tops over the past few weeks, following instructions provided by Paul Schurch (Schurch Woodworks). I cut all the leaves simultaneously. Below I've outlined the steps I follow - hopefully this will be of help and possibly others will chime in with their advice.

1. sort through your leaves of veneer sheet by sheet and attempt to align them, possibly using a feature such as a blemish or unique figuring. As you well know, this will likely require shifting the sheets a fair bit to return them to their "natural" position. When you're done, use strips of blue tape to secure the packet and keep them from shifting when cutting. For a 32 way match I actually drove half inch pin nails in the four corners, bending the ends over to secure the packet. At this point you have a pretty hefty bundle of veneer (I usually include a couple extra sheets, in case one gets damaged during the process).

2. position your radial template over the bundle to achieve the desired effect (herringbone) and draw a cut line along one edge of the packet. At this point you know where the point of your radial match will be on the packet - if you are working with brittle veneer (burl) then consider loosening the tape and apply gum tape to each sheet where the point will be (this will help prevent the delicate points from breaking off).

3. remove the radial template and replace with a stout straight edge. I have applied 100 grit sandpaper to the bottom of my cutting guide - this will help keep the veneer packet from sliding around as you cut. I even clamp the far end of the cutting guide to my bench, effectively pinning the packet under the guide. Now begin gently cutting the packet along the guide using your veneer saw, being careful to keep it perfectly vertical as you cut. Take your time and make several passes until you have cut through the packet.

4. remove the packet from under the straight edge and using a sanding block (80 grit sandpaper adhered to a long straight block of wood) to clean up the cut. If there was chipping or your cut waivered, keep working the sanding block until you get a clean straight edge. I use a shooting board to secure the packet while I'm doing this, but you could simply hold the packet down with your hand.

5. replace the template over the packet, lining up one edge of the template with the newly cut edge. Again trace a cut line along the remaining edge. You may wish to consider moving this line over a bit to give yourself extra material in the radial match which can be trimmed later.

6. Repeat step #3, followed by step #4. At this point you have all the pieces for your radial match cut and ready to assemble. FYI - since I usually add two extra sheets, I discard the top sheet that might have a pencil line in the wood (nothing like noticing a dark line under your finish and realize it was your cut line marking).

Good Luck,
Roger



 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: Cutting the Leaves for a Radial Match
Posted : 2003-10-18 8:42 PM
Post #31039 - In reply to #31037

Roger: If you don't mind my asking, were any guidelines offered as to the maximum diameter of the circle and/or the maximum number of pieces for this technique?


 
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Roger Barga

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Subject : RE: Cutting the Leaves for a Radial Match
Posted : 2003-10-20 5:00 PM
Post #31043 - In reply to #31039

Don: no guidelines and the technique doesn't seem to be limited in terms of diameter and pieces. I have successfully put together a 32-way match for an 24" table following this procedure and have seen larger dining room tables made in this fashion.


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Cutting the Leaves for a Radial Match
Posted : 2003-10-16 1:45 PM
Post #31038 - In reply to #31036

Don,

When I do a radial I always pay particular attention to the veneer figure within a few of inches of the point. This is the area your eye concentrates on. Although the tendency it to pick dramatic figure when choosing where the point will be its important to pick an area that stays fairly consitent throughout all the leaves. I take the first and last leaves and lay them side by side to see where the figure stays fairly similar on both sheets. This is the area I make the center. Although it may not be as dramatic the patterns in the center of the radial wont be one way on one side and something different on the other. Further out from the center your eye wont notice the change as much.

Also, I like to rough cut my veneer stack within an inch of the actual final cuts. This way, when I am stacking all the individual pieces I can match the grain from one sheet to the next close to the actual points which helps the grain figure to stay directly over itself in this area. When matching the grain figure out near the edges of a larger sheet its hard to tell if you have it layed down well right near the points.

Sincerely
Darryl Keil

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Darryl Keil


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