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Subject : honeycomb and veneer thickness
Posted : 2002-09-10 11:09 PM
Post #29409
I've got two questionsHave a commission for a 10' conference table that I will be make the top in four panels of some spectacular flamed/spalted maple logs I have cut and kiln dried. The panels will each be about 16" x 55". They will be set into 12/4 4"wide cherry banding.I want to use the thickest honeycomb for "mass" purposes and I'm assuming then I'd use 1/4" mdf to "skin" the honeycomb.My questions are:1. How thick can I resaw the maple so that it still vacuum's well and acts as veneer and not like solid wood ( don't want wood movement ) .. 1/8" .. 3/16" ??? 2. I'm assuming that I would need the same thickness on the back side ... doe it have to be of the same species ???3. What type of glue is used to skin the honeycomb with mdf ?? 4. Do I do this in two steps .. first "skin" and then rebag and "veneer" ??5. once I have it all done can I then work the edge treatment with normal tools ( cutting radius' etc ) Sorry for all the questions but have never used honeycomb beforeArt



 
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Darryl Keil

 
Subject : honeycomb and veneer thickness
Posted : 2002-09-13 5:33 PM
Post #29412 - In reply to #29409
Art,Your resawn veneer should be no more than 3/32" I prefer 1/16". I would put the same thickness on the back for maximum stability but it does not need to be the same species.Although you can use regular white or yellow glue a urea resin glue will give you the best results. If I was doing your table I would lay up the core and then put the veneer on in a second pressing. You can work you edging like normal.SincerelyDarryl Keil: I've got two questions: Have a commission for a 10' conference table that I will be make the : top in four panels of some spectacular flamed/spalted maple logs I : have cut and kiln dried. The panels will each be about 16" x 55". : They will be set into 12/4 4"wide cherry banding.: I want to use the thickest honeycomb for "mass" purposes and I'm : assuming then I'd use 1/4" mdf to "skin" the honeycomb.: My questions are:: 1. How thick can I resaw the maple so that it still vacuum's well and : acts as veneer and not like solid wood ( don't want wood : movement ) .. 1/8" .. 3/16" ??? : 2. I'm assuming that I would need the same thickness on the back : side ... doe it have to be of the same species ???: 3. What type of glue is used to skin the honeycomb with mdf ?? : 4. Do I do this in two steps .. first "skin" and then rebag : and "veneer" ??: 5. once I have it all done can I then work the edge treatment with : normal tools ( cutting radius' etc ) : Sorry for all the questions but have never used honeycomb before: Art




 
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Art Stratemeyer -...

 
Subject : honeycomb and veneer thickness
Posted : 2002-09-14 6:20 AM
Post #29414 - In reply to #29412
Darryl,First thank you for this great forum and the time you take to answer questions .. it really helps.: If I was doing your table I would lay up the core and then put the veneer on in a second pressing. You can work you edging like normal.Please excuse the "dumb" question but have never used honecomb.I'm confused about handling the edges of the panel ... let's say I build up a 1" thick panel using the honeycomb and want to insert that panel ( say it is 30" x 60" ) into a premade 12/4 cherry frame. Normally I would do this one of two ways ... spline the panel edges into the frame ... or ... create a 1" deep rabbit for the panel to "sit" in. In using honeycomb do I first need to core out the inner honeycomb and insert solid wood ?As I picture it, the only edge "attachment" surface would be the bottom side since the edge of the honeycomb would not present any gluing area .. nor attachement surface.I want to order the materials from you next week so I'd appreciate your thoughts.Art




 
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Howard Metz

 
Subject : honeycomb and veneer thickness
Posted : 2002-09-14 7:17 PM
Post #29416 - In reply to #29414
: Darryl,: First thank you for this great forum and the time you take to answer questions .. it really helps.: : If I was doing your table I would lay up the core and then put the veneer on in a second pressing. You can work you edging like normal.: Please excuse the "dumb" question but have never used honecomb.: I'm confused about handling the edges of the panel ... let's say I build up a 1" thick panel using the honeycomb and want to insert that panel ( say it is 30" x 60" ) into a premade 12/4 cherry frame. Normally I would do this one of two ways ... spline the panel edges into the frame ... or ... create a 1" deep rabbit for the panel to "sit" in. In using honeycomb do I first need to core out the inner honeycomb and insert solid wood ?: As I picture it, the only edge "attachment" surface would be the bottom side since the edge of the honeycomb would not present any gluing area .. nor attachement surface.: I want to order the materials from you next week so I'd appreciate your thoughts.: ArtYou may want to get a book by Kim Carlton Graves titled Dining Table. He describes the building of a large veneered table using honeycomb. Howard




 
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Darryl Keil

 
Subject : honeycomb and veneer thickness
Posted : 2002-09-15 4:08 PM
Post #29418 - In reply to #29416
Art,Dining Tables by Kim Carlton Graves is put out by Taunton Press and as Howard recommends it covers Honeycomb quite well.For further clarification on edging, you need to insert strips of solid wood the thickness of the honeycomb and about 1" wide. You put these strips around panel when you glue up the core. Also, if you need to attach fasteners in the honeycomb section of the table cut out small area's of the honeycomb, and insert blocking.SincerelyDarryl Keil: : Darryl,: : First thank you for this great forum and the time you take to answer questions .. it really helps.: : : If I was doing your table I would lay up the core and then put the veneer on in a second pressing. You can work you edging like normal.: : Please excuse the "dumb" question but have never used honecomb.: : I'm confused about handling the edges of the panel ... let's say I build up a 1" thick panel using the honeycomb and want to insert that panel ( say it is 30" x 60" ) into a premade 12/4 cherry frame. Normally I would do this one of two ways ... spline the panel edges into the frame ... or ... create a 1" deep rabbit for the panel to "sit" in. In using honeycomb do I first need to core out the inner honeycomb and insert solid wood ?: : As I picture it, the only edge "attachment" surface would be the bottom side since the edge of the honeycomb would not present any gluing area .. nor attachement surface.: : I want to order the materials from you next week so I'd appreciate your thoughts.: : Art: You may want to get a book by Kim Carlton Graves titled Dining Table. He describes the building of a large veneered table using honeycomb. : Howard




 
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Art Stratemeyer -...

 
Subject : thanks guys
Posted : 2002-09-15 4:25 PM
Post #29420 - In reply to #29418
: Art,: Dining Tables by Kim Carlton Graves is put out by Taunton Press and as Howard recommends it covers Honeycomb quite well.Thanks guys ...... what a geat help ... ordered the books todayArt
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