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mike ray

 
Subject : veneering tamo ash to drums
Posted : 2003-04-29 9:43 PM
Post #28873
I gave up the search for mapa burl, and now have some beautiful japanese peanut tamo ash. This is raw unbacked and very thin .025. Can this be flattened out with the flatning mixture and layed between to pieces of 3/4" mdf without a press? Glueing, This is light colored veneer, will medium colored unibond mixture be light enough?Again I can't figure out how to make a bag and close it without spending mega bucks for a real bag. Can I glue the veneer on, lay wax paper around it, and lay fir stips all around and clamp. I will put round disks inside top and bottom to keep the shells round. To make a long story short these strips are actually staves, which is they are cut on bevelled angles to form a circle when stacked along side each other, it is just a drum needing to be assymbled. Sorry if I have confused you all with a terrible discription.



 
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Darryl Keil

 
Subject : veneering tamo ash to drums
Posted : 2003-04-29 11:03 PM
Post #28875 - In reply to #28873
Mike,Its unlikely that you will get enough uniform pressure to have good results. If you could press the veneer onto another unbacked veneer in the flat first, then is a second application clamp it to your drum, that would probably work. The medium brown Unibond 800 would be fine for Tamo.SincerelyDarryl Keil: I gave up the search for mapa burl, and now have some beautiful : japanese peanut tamo ash. This is raw unbacked and very thin .025. : Can this be flattened out with the flatning mixture and layed between : to pieces of 3/4" mdf without a press? : Glueing, This is light colored veneer, will medium colored unibond : mixture be light enough?: Again I can't figure out how to make a bag and close it without : spending mega bucks for a real bag. Can I glue the veneer on, lay wax : paper around it, and lay fir stips all around and clamp. I will put : round disks inside top and bottom to keep the shells round. To make a : long story short these strips are actually staves, which is they are : cut on bevelled angles to form a circle when stacked along side each : other, it is just a drum needing to be assymbled. Sorry if I have : confused you all with a terrible discription.




 
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mike

 
Subject : veneering tamo ash to drums
Posted : 2003-05-01 11:36 AM
Post #28881 - In reply to #28875
Darryl,When glueing another veneer to the tamo are you talking about cutting small pieces with the grain opposite of the long grain. This seems difficult for a first time veneerer. Should I flatten each seperately then glue and press? I had a drum maker email and He said he would never use a raw veneer, just a backed veneer on drums. I am wondering if I should sell this on ebay and get a backed veneer. I still would like to use the veneer I have , just lost a little confidence in it.: Mike,: Its unlikely that you will get enough uniform pressure to have good results. If you could press the veneer onto another unbacked veneer in the flat first, then is a second application clamp it to your drum, that would probably work. The medium brown Unibond 800 would be fine for Tamo.: : Sincerely: Darryl Keil: : I gave up the search for mapa burl, and now have some beautiful : : japanese peanut tamo ash. This is raw unbacked and very thin .025. : : Can this be flattened out with the flatning mixture and layed between : : to pieces of 3/4" mdf without a press? : : Glueing, This is light colored veneer, will medium colored unibond : : mixture be light enough?: : Again I can't figure out how to make a bag and close it without : : spending mega bucks for a real bag. Can I glue the veneer on, lay wax : : paper around it, and lay fir stips all around and clamp. I will put : : round disks inside top and bottom to keep the shells round. To make a : : long story short these strips are actually staves, which is they are : : cut on bevelled angles to form a circle when stacked along side each : : other, it is just a drum needing to be assymbled. Sorry if I have : : confused you all with a terrible discription.




 
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Darryl Keil

 
Subject : veneering tamo ash to drums
Posted : 2003-05-01 5:36 PM
Post #28882 - In reply to #28881
Mike,I think your friend is right about a backed veneer, but dont despair, you can make that yourself. By glueing another veneer 90 degrees to your Tamo you will create a backed veneer. Just cut a bunch of backer grade veneer pieces going the short way and veneer tape them all together. This will make glueing process fairly easy. Be sure to use a urea resin glue like Unibond 800 rather than a yellow glue. This will make it go a lot easier because urea's dont tack up so you have plenty of work time.SincerelyDarryl KeilSincerelyDarryl Keil: Darryl,: When glueing another veneer to the tamo are you talking about cutting small pieces with the grain opposite of the long grain. This seems difficult for a first time veneerer. Should I flatten each seperately then glue and press? : I had a drum maker email and He said he would never use a raw veneer, just a backed veneer on drums. I am wondering if I should sell this on ebay and get a backed veneer. I still would like to use the veneer I have , just lost a little confidence in it.: : Mike,: : Its unlikely that you will get enough uniform pressure to have good results. If you could press the veneer onto another unbacked veneer in the flat first, then is a second application clamp it to your drum, that would probably work. The medium brown Unibond 800 would be fine for Tamo.: : : : Sincerely: : Darryl Keil: : : I gave up the search for mapa burl, and now have some beautiful : : : japanese peanut tamo ash. This is raw unbacked and very thin .025. : : : Can this be flattened out with the flatning mixture and layed between : : : to pieces of 3/4" mdf without a press? : : : Glueing, This is light colored veneer, will medium colored unibond : : : mixture be light enough?: : : Again I can't figure out how to make a bag and close it without : : : spending mega bucks for a real bag. Can I glue the veneer on, lay wax : : : paper around it, and lay fir stips all around and clamp. I will put : : : round disks inside top and bottom to keep the shells round. To make a : : : long story short these strips are actually staves, which is they are : : : cut on bevelled angles to form a circle when stacked along side each : : : other, it is just a drum needing to be assymbled. Sorry if I have : : : confused you all with a terrible discription.




 
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Mike Ray

 
Subject : veneering tamo ash to drums
Posted : 2003-05-02 11:45 AM
Post #28885 - In reply to #28882
Ok how about this, I have found some 4x8 maple backed veneer with the grain running up and down. Could I glue this to the shells and practice my seems. Flatten the tamo then glue and bag it onto the shell. Or do I flatten the tamo and press the maple together and glue both on this way. Is it ok to use the backed veneer, it is only 50 dollars for the sheet. Thanks, Mike: Mike,: I think your friend is right about a backed veneer, but dont despair, you can make that yourself. By glueing another veneer 90 degrees to your Tamo you will create a backed veneer. Just cut a bunch of backer grade veneer pieces going the short way and veneer tape them all together. This will make glueing process fairly easy. Be sure to use a urea resin glue like Unibond 800 rather than a yellow glue. This will make it go a lot easier because urea's dont tack up so you have plenty of work time.: Sincerely: Darryl Keil: Sincerely: Darryl Keil: : Darryl,: : When glueing another veneer to the tamo are you talking about cutting small pieces with the grain opposite of the long grain. This seems difficult for a first time veneerer. Should I flatten each seperately then glue and press? : : I had a drum maker email and He said he would never use a raw veneer, just a backed veneer on drums. I am wondering if I should sell this on ebay and get a backed veneer. I still would like to use the veneer I have , just lost a little confidence in it.: : : Mike,: : : Its unlikely that you will get enough uniform pressure to have good results. If you could press the veneer onto another unbacked veneer in the flat first, then is a second application clamp it to your drum, that would probably work. The medium brown Unibond 800 would be fine for Tamo.: : : : : : Sincerely: : : Darryl Keil: : : : I gave up the search for mapa burl, and now have some beautiful : : : : japanese peanut tamo ash. This is raw unbacked and very thin .025. : : : : Can this be flattened out with the flatning mixture and layed between : : : : to pieces of 3/4" mdf without a press? : : : : Glueing, This is light colored veneer, will medium colored unibond : : : : mixture be light enough?: : : : Again I can't figure out how to make a bag and close it without : : : : spending mega bucks for a real bag. Can I glue the veneer on, lay wax : : : : paper around it, and lay fir stips all around and clamp. I will put : : : : round disks inside top and bottom to keep the shells round. To make a : : : : long story short these strips are actually staves, which is they are : : : : cut on bevelled angles to form a circle when stacked along side each : : : : other, it is just a drum needing to be assymbled. Sorry if I have : : : : confused you all with a terrible discription.




 
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Darryl Keil

 
Subject : veneering tamo ash to drums
Posted : 2003-05-05 5:37 PM
Post #28888 - In reply to #28885
Mike,I would glue the tamo to the backed veneer first, then glue that onto the drum in a second operation.SincerelyDarryl Keil: Ok how about this, I have found some 4x8 maple backed veneer with the : grain running up and down. Could I glue this to the shells and : practice my seems. Flatten the tamo then glue and bag it onto the : shell. Or do I flatten the tamo and press the maple together and glue : both on this way. Is it ok to use the backed veneer, it is only 50 : dollars for the sheet. Thanks, Mike: : Mike,: : I think your friend is right about a backed veneer, but dont : despair, you can make that yourself. By glueing another veneer 90 : degrees to your Tamo you will create a backed veneer. Just cut a : bunch of backer grade veneer pieces going the short way and veneer : tape them all together. This will make glueing process fairly easy. : Be sure to use a urea resin glue like Unibond 800 rather than a : yellow glue. This will make it go a lot easier because urea's dont : tack up so you have plenty of work time.: : Sincerely: : Darryl Keil: : Sincerely: : Darryl Keil: : : Darryl,: : : When glueing another veneer to the tamo are you talking about : cutting small pieces with the grain opposite of the long grain. This : seems difficult for a first time veneerer. Should I flatten each : seperately then glue and press? : : : I had a drum maker email and He said he would never use a raw : veneer, just a backed veneer on drums. I am wondering if I should : sell this on ebay and get a backed veneer. I still would like to use : the veneer I have , just lost a little confidence in it.: : : : Mike,: : : : Its unlikely that you will get enough uniform pressure to have : good results. If you could press the veneer onto another unbacked : veneer in the flat first, then is a second application clamp it to : your drum, that would probably work. The medium brown Unibond 800 : would be fine for Tamo.: : : : : : : : Sincerely: : : : Darryl Keil: : : : : I gave up the search for mapa burl, and now have some : beautiful : : : : : japanese peanut tamo ash. This is raw unbacked and very : thin .025. : : : : : Can this be flattened out with the flatning mixture and layed : between : : : : : to pieces of 3/4" mdf without a press? : : : : : Glueing, This is light colored veneer, will medium colored : unibond : : : : : mixture be light enough?: : : : : Again I can't figure out how to make a bag and close it : without : : : : : spending mega bucks for a real bag. Can I glue the veneer on, : lay wax : : : : : paper around it, and lay fir stips all around and clamp. I : will put : : : : : round disks inside top and bottom to keep the shells round. : To make a : : : : : long story short these strips are actually staves, which is : they are : : : : : cut on bevelled angles to form a circle when stacked along : side each : : : : : other, it is just a drum needing to be assymbled. Sorry if I : have : : : : : confused you all with a terrible discription.
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