Darryl Keil Last Activity 2025-05-12 11:03 AM
4 replies, 1780 viewings

 
back
Navigate threads:
< Previous Thread :: Next Thread >
 
^ Top
mike mcnerney

Posts: 87

Joined: 2003-07-17
Location: ottawa ontario

User Profile
 
Subject : sanding curves vaccum hold downs
Posted : 2011-01-18 12:27 PM
Post #36258

How do people sand their curved veneer work? Concave & convex.
Does anyone use random orbitals with some kind of a soft/flexible cushion?
Does anyone have a vacuum hold down for veneer or anything thin?
Mike McNerney


 
^ Top
Darryl Keil

Posts: 1454

Joined: 2003-05-22
Location: Maine

User Profile
 
Subject : RE: sanding curves vaccum hold downs
Posted : 2011-01-19 3:44 PM
Post #36259 - In reply to #36258

Mike,

I make every effort to sand my veneer, at least generally, before pressing and sanding in a curve, especially inside radiuses is a real pain.

I two ply the veneer, which will stiffen it up enough to double sticky tape it to my bench so I can scrape and sand in the flat. Once its on the panel I'm just doing a touch up sanding.

If you have to sand it in the curve you can make a curved vacuum jig to hold it with. Use some 3/8" bending ply with a couple ribs to hold the shape, cover it with plastic laminate and then use some self adhesive closed cell foam gasketing. Drill a hole from underneath for your vacuum line and you should have a good hold down jig.

Darryl Keil


 
^ Top
mike mcnerney

Posts: 87

Joined: 2003-07-17
Location: ottawa ontario

User Profile
 
Subject : RE: sanding curves vaccum hold downs
Posted : 2011-01-20 2:40 AM
Post #36260 - In reply to #36259

Hi Darryl,
I glued my veneer to a .016 poly backer material which is glued well but for whatever reasons is not that flat.

I was succesfull yesterday in making a 'clamp' for it that did work but needs some refining. My pieces are 30 x 36.

I layed some .125 x .375 neoprene around the perimeter. Then taped down a piece of your breather mesh .062. I had to temporarily screw down 1 x 2 stock around the perimeter & then turn on the pump. It worked. The pump did run continuouasly, I hope that's OK. I was able to remove the 1 x 2 & then I could sand the full area.

I think it needs a wider support around the perimeter as it was not 'dead'
flatat that point. I'm not sure how to do that?

I'm not sure what you mean by "If you have to sand it in the curve"
I would be gluing it to my existing substrate & then hand sand it with a piece of bendy ply with handles attatched, or a foam pad. My curve is a french curve of changing radius.

thanks
Mike


 
^ Top
Enrico Konig

Posts: 74

Joined: 2006-01-06
Location: Vancouver, BC

User Profile
 
Subject : RE: sanding curves vaccum hold downs
Posted : 2011-01-20 11:10 AM
Post #36261 - In reply to #36260

Mike,
I use a 6" soft pad on my Festool random orbit sander for both convex and concave curves. Until I got this setup, I did all my sanding by hand, mainly because I find the commonly available 5" random orbitals (deWalt, PorterCable etc) too slow. Also no soft pads available. The Festool 6" is much more aggressive and faster and in combo with the Festool vacuum leaves absolutely no dust (don't even need to wear a mask).

The real trick for me, though, is to do my curves oversize, because of course sanding through on edges - particularly on the outer edges of an inside curve - will happen when using an orbital sander! So I do the majority of my sanding with 120 grit before I cut things to final size. My final sanding with 180 is then done by hand after piece is sized and otherwise finished. Orbital will leave some orbital marks on the inside curves that will need to be removed.

I do 2-ply all the time but find the 2-ply quite tricky to handle as it gets quite brittle and always wants to roll up. Quite easy to crack if one is not careful with it. And sometimes its power to curl is stronger than the tape to hold it flat. So I haven't had much luck sanding the veneer before pressing. But once outfitting myself with the 6" Festool and the soft pad I no longer find it necessary anyhow. (BTW, the 5" Festool is not really much better than less expensive brands, so go with the 6 inch.

Enrico


 
^ Top
mike mcnerney

Posts: 87

Joined: 2003-07-17
Location: ottawa ontario

User Profile
 
Subject : RE: sanding curves vaccum hold downs
Posted : 2011-01-27 10:31 AM
Post #36267 - In reply to #36261

I ended up card scraping a lot, before the glue up, & that wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Mainly I just removed glue & tape . The knife marks on this stuff really show. I finally found the soft pads locally so I will finish up with them on the "higher" radius curve. As I move into the 4" radius concave curve I like making a curved 'block' out of styrofoam. It just take a few mins. Edging the next few days with my miracle find of a solid BRW backing board 10" x 9'
MM


back
Navigate threads:
< Previous Thread :: Next Thread >

Legend      Notification  
Administrator
Forum Moderator
Registered User
Unregistered User
Toggle e-mail notification


Logo by MAZY
Running MegaBBS ASP Forum Software v1.5.14b public beta