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Seth Horton

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Subject : standard vs professional panel systems and other misc questions
Posted : 2010-09-18 11:46 AM
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I feel a little odd asking this question as it seems like it would have been covered at some point, or I just missed it somehow. I searched the forum but the results came up empty. I am using a 36x54 bag now with a really small pump. I have had it for a few years. The bag is a 20 mil vinyl bag. I am really outgrowing it and looking for a new system. I would like a 48x96 bag. I do not know how much of a difference there is between the 20 mil poly bag or the 30 mil poly bag.

My main question, though, is what is the difference between a standard and a professional system? I don't do a tremendous amount of veneering, but will probably start doing more. Additionally I have been using PVA glue almost exclusively, but would to get a more rigid glue line. I did read the adhesive thread where Daryl compared titebond brands. Going to a urea resin leaves me concerned about odors in my basement shop.

Thanks for any input.


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: standard vs professional panel systems and other misc questions
Posted : 2010-09-19 5:18 PM
Post #36168 - In reply to #36167
I was told that you buy a vinyl bag for a few years, and a poly bag for life. I will suggest if you think you might want to put hollow forms, boxes, and such in the bag, get the poly. With a thicker object in the bag, wrinkles like to run out to the edge, and they can quickly pull apart a vinyl seam.
I don't notice unpleasant odors using urea formaldehyde glue.
Just my two cents.
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: standard vs professional panel systems and other misc questions
Posted : 2010-09-19 8:09 PM
Post #36171 - In reply to #36167
The difference between the standard and professional system is about the bag it comes with, the pump is the same either way. Standard system comes with a vinyl bag and the Professional system comes with a polyurethane bag. If you are going to step up to polyurethane, an extremely durable material, I strongly suggest 30mil. There is really no point for 20mil in this material.

Darryl Keil


 
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Seth Horton

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Subject : RE: standard vs professional panel systems and other misc questions
Posted : 2010-09-19 8:54 PM
Post #36172 - In reply to #36171
Thanks Darryl (and Don). Exactly the answer I was looking for. I suspect the 30 mil professional system is the one I'm after. Darryl, any comment on using the Unibond 800 in a basement shop?


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: standard vs professional panel systems and other misc questions
Posted : 2010-09-21 4:32 AM
Post #36173 - In reply to #36172
Seth,

I think the question I would ask myself in your situation is frequency and quantity. If I was gluing up a panel or two every so often I'd be fine using Unibond in a basement shop. If I was gluing up lots of panels on a regular basis then I would want a good exhaust fan in a basement window during glue up. When I took them out of the bag I would put them out on the porch or in a garage to air out for a half a day.

Darryl Keil
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