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Don Stephan

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Subject : Trimming Veneer Edges on Box
Posted : 2008-12-24 6:00 PM
Post #35149

Interesting situation posed by veneering an MDF sculpture stand, say 16" x 12" by 30" high. (The joints are all mitered 45 degrees, and the stand glued using urea formaldehyde and Collins spring clamps.)

Press opposing 16" wide sides in bag, let cure overnight, then have to flush the veneer edges to the box surface before veneering the other pair of sides. There is always glue squeezeout, and just out of the vacuum bag is still "gummy", and not easy to cut with veneer saw because the glue tends to grab the blade.) By morning the squeezeout is quite hard, and very difficult to cut with the veneer saw. The hard glue would quickly dull a block plane blade. But if not handled carefully the surface of the veneer can chip back beyond the edge of the box.

The only solution I've found was to get a 2nd veneer saw and tape a piece of grey cardboard to the back of the blade as a spacer. The saw now doesn't cut as much of the dried glue against the box, and cuts the veneer about 1/16" proud of the box. Then I gently sand the veneer and dried glue flush with the box using 80 grit self-stick paper on a piece of MDF.

This is a very tedious process, and there is always the potential for the surface of the veneer chipping back beyond the edge of the box. Another possible solution is a flush trimming bit in a trim router, but the dried glue would likely be very hard on the cutting edge. A 3rd possible solution would be to trim the excess veneer close on the table saw, but there would be a strong possibility of chipping the veneer.

This isn't a common situation, but it does arise from time to time and I'm curious how others handle it.

Thanks in advance for your input.


 
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Jeff Patrick


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Subject : RE: Trimming Veneer Edges on Box
Posted : 2008-12-26 6:34 PM
Post #35151 - In reply to #35149

Don,

I have the exact same situation on most of the panels that I do. They aren't sculpture stands, but simply flat panels. Like cabinet doors. I like to edge my substrate before veneering. The veneer then overlaps and must be trimmed flush with the edge band. This is the same situation (more or less) that you describe.

My process is usually to trim with a flush trim router bit. I don't find that hardened urea formaldehyde is significantly harder on a carbide bit than plywood or mdf. And even if it is... so what? The things really don't cost all that much. Anyway, I trim with the router then sand flush using 120 grit sandpaper wrapped around a plywood stick. I use it sort of like a file.... stroking either exactly cross grain or "into" the substrate so as to not chip out the veneer. Of course there's always those little difficult spots... they get a dab of extra glue as I find them.

If there's an easier way, I'd like to hear about it. But I really don't find this process all that onerous.

Jeff


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: Trimming Veneer Edges on Box
Posted : 2008-12-27 3:47 PM
Post #35152 - In reply to #35151

Thanks for the reply from up north . . . I'll have to give this a try since it works for you. Out of curiosity are you using a bearing guided flush trimming bit or just the laminate trimming bit that just has the rounded end?

Thanks for your help.


 
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Jeff Patrick


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Subject : RE: Trimming Veneer Edges on Box
Posted : 2008-12-27 5:14 PM
Post #35153 - In reply to #35152

I use a short, maybe 1/2" long, bearing bit. I climb cut in almost every occasion. A technique that minimizes tearout. The bit I use leaves just a whisker of an overhang that is easily removed with the sandpaper.


 
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cpa

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Subject : RE: Trimming Veneer Edges on Box
Posted : 2009-01-15 3:06 PM
Post #35208 - In reply to #35149

Yep, a good flush trim bit on a router does nicely for this situation. CMT make a shearing flush trim bit (google CMT super duty flush trim). In other words, the cutting edge isn't straight on...it flows around the bit providing, in theory, a better cut.


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