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Subject : Thin Panels
Posted : 2005-10-25 9:57 PM
Post #32503

I've glueed up some Kevazinga onto 1/8" MDF. After they came out of the press I got some substantial cupping. Only one of the two panles did this. My question is is 1/8" MDF to thin to expect the panels to stay flat. I'm trying to use these for a cover of a book so there will be no support to help keep them flat. Any thoughts?

Dimensions are around 12" x 15"


 
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Brian Gray

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Subject : RE: Thin Panels
Posted : 2005-10-26 6:54 AM
Post #32504 - In reply to #32503

The first question would be did you use a backer veneer?

If not, that's the first thing to try. You want all conditions to be as identical as possible from one side to the other side...thickness of veneers, amount of glue, etc...

The next thing that I would do is to check out your shop humidity. Measure what the relative humidity is in your house, and then mimic that in your shop. Then let your materials settle in these conditions for a while before building. Did the panel warp right out of the press, or did it change after going to a new environment?

These are a couple of strategies, but the bottom line is that 1/8" MDF might be too thin when you are talking about panels that are that big. Even if you do everything that I mentioned above, humidity levels change seasonally, and might mess things up with a panel that thin and big.

It might just be a process where you have to build 4-5 of them to come up with 2 that don't warp.

If that fails, you might need to go with a thicker substrate.


 
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Subject : RE: Thin Panels
Posted : 2005-10-26 5:45 PM
Post #32506 - In reply to #32504

Thanks for you thoughts Brian. I guess I left a few thing out. I edged the MDF with 1/8 x 1/8 solid edging and veneered both side with a urea glue. I used the same veneer cut off a 12' piece. The veneer had been in the shop for over a year.

I have to make 50-60 of these book covers so making 4-5 to get a couple of good ones is out of the question. I will try 1/4" MDF


 
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Earl

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Subject : RE: Thin Panels
Posted : 2005-10-26 9:42 AM
Post #32505 - In reply to #32503

In addition to what Brian stated above, if you used yellow or a PVA, don't. Use Unibond 800 or PPR. That thin I would use the same exact cut of veneer on the back also.

Leave your piece in the press at least 24 hrs then when you take it out do not lay it flat without a covering on top. You want the surface front and back to have equal access to air movement.

If after doing this it still warps or bows, there is not anymore you can do except go thicker on the substrate.


 
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Subject : RE: Thin Panels
Posted : 2005-10-26 5:48 PM
Post #32507 - In reply to #32505

Earl.

The panels were in the press for around 12hrs. I left them on edge when they came out to let the air circulate. Since only one panel warped I think the veneer is just a bit to strong for 1/8". I was curious if others had had any success with panels this thin. Thanks for your reply.


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