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Carson Fuller

 
Subject : veneering birds eye maple
Posted : 2000-06-24 6:20 PM
Post #30632
I have an order to build some furniture with birds eye maple doors & end gables....my customer does not want the frame & panel look, so......I was planning to apply veneer to 3/4" maple plywood & keep the "A-1" side, as the inside of the door/cabinet's. Judging by what I've read here......this may not be the best thing to do, because of warpage etc....it just seems a big waste of good maple ply, if I have to veneer both sides.....your thought's would be greatly appreciated.Also......I was planning on glueing solid maple to all 4 edges of the door's before veneering, & then trim/sand the oversized veneer....as I don't like using edge tape. I thought this should work great, but.....have noticed a couple comments about making the panel oversized to begin with & then trimming to correct size after veneering....any suggestion's?Thanks in advance,Carson



 
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Mike Moran

 
Subject : veneering birds eye maple
Posted : 2000-07-06 6:49 PM
Post #30656 - In reply to #30632
: I have an order to build some furniture with birds eye maple doors & : end gables....my customer does not want the frame & panel look, : so......I was planning to apply veneer to 3/4" maple plywood & keep : the "A-1" side, as the inside of the door/cabinet's. Judging by what : I've read here......this may not be the best thing to do, because of : warpage etc....it just seems a big waste of good maple ply, if I have : to veneer both sides.....your thought's would be greatly appreciated.: Also......I was planning on glueing solid maple to all 4 edges of the : door's before veneering, & then trim/sand the oversized veneer....as : I don't like using edge tape. I thought this should work great, : but.....have noticed a couple comments about making the panel : oversized to begin with & then trimming to correct size after : veneering....any suggestion's?: Thanks in advance,: CarsonCarson:Do not employ any type of veneer plywood as the basis for your project. Plywood simply isn't flat enough for architectural work. Do employ MDF or the newer light weight MDF...called "Trupan" in our area. Veneer the back panel with Maple and the front with Bird's Eye Maple. I can guarantee you flat panels if you follow normally accepted practices. MDF comes in 49" x 97" panels so as to yield a 4 x 8' finished panel. You may apply a hardwood edge strip prior to veneering. However, I would suggest that you allow the moisture to totally evaporate from the panel before veneering the faces. Otherwise, you may experience some telegraphing down the road of the joint line. This method does allow for some give and take in the fitting process, however. Alternately, you can employ the same Bird's Eye Veneers for the edge banding for a very finished final look. This can be accomplished by applying yellow glue to the substrate and to the back side of the Bird's Eye veneer. Use a regular household Iron and a pressure device (block of wood, rolling pin, etc.) to apply the veneer to the edges. It takes a little practice but it works very well. Al;ternately, an edgebander will apply the edging as well.Please fell free to call with any questions or concerns that you may have.Best personal regards,Mike Moran561.243.1843




 
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TBB

 
Subject : veneering birds eye maple
Posted : 2000-06-25 9:33 PM
Post #30637 - In reply to #30632
Maybe I'm missing something in what your project is about, but why not just go with a birdeye plywood to start with, particularly if you can edgeband it afterwards with either solids of veneer. Your local lumber yard ought to be able to order some for you. I have seen and used some nice birdseye on MDF before.: I have an order to build some furniture with birds eye maple doors & : end gables....my customer does not want the frame & panel look, : so......I was planning to apply veneer to 3/4" maple plywood & keep : the "A-1" side, as the inside of the door/cabinet's. Judging by what : I've read here......this may not be the best thing to do, because of : warpage etc....it just seems a big waste of good maple ply, if I have : to veneer both sides.....your thought's would be greatly appreciated.: Also......I was planning on glueing solid maple to all 4 edges of the : door's before veneering, & then trim/sand the oversized veneer....as : I don't like using edge tape. I thought this should work great, : but.....have noticed a couple comments about making the panel : oversized to begin with & then trimming to correct size after : veneering....any suggestion's?: Thanks in advance,: Carson




 
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Darryl Keil

 
Subject : veneering birds eye maple
Posted : 2000-06-24 8:37 PM
Post #30634 - In reply to #30632
Dear Carson,I know it would be easier to get maple ply and just veneer one side, but you will get some warping. You might get away with it on a side panel but not on a door. Sorry to say it, but you really should veneer both sides.Veneering the panel large and trimming after is not the better way so much as the easier way. You dont have to worry about veneer overhang or the possibility of the veneer not sticking perfectly at the edges. Also, I like to capture the veneer inside my edging, even if its only a 1/16"nosing. Putting the edging on afterwards protects the veneer edges from getting caught and possibly chipped later. If you cant afford to see any solid edge from the face, you could still veneer oversized and edge band with just veneer to get your look.sincerelyDarryl Keil: I have an order to build some furniture with birds eye maple doors & : end gables....my customer does not want the frame & panel look, : so......I was planning to apply veneer to 3/4" maple plywood & keep : the "A-1" side, as the inside of the door/cabinet's. Judging by what : I've read here......this may not be the best thing to do, because of : warpage etc....it just seems a big waste of good maple ply, if I have : to veneer both sides.....your thought's would be greatly appreciated.: Also......I was planning on glueing solid maple to all 4 edges of the : door's before veneering, & then trim/sand the oversized veneer....as : I don't like using edge tape. I thought this should work great, : but.....have noticed a couple comments about making the panel : oversized to begin with & then trimming to correct size after : veneering....any suggestion's?: Thanks in advance,: Carson




 
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Carson

 
Subject : veneering birds eye maple
Posted : 2000-06-24 10:38 PM
Post #30636 - In reply to #30634
Thanks Darryl, I suppose a less expensive, "Birch Ply" might be a better alternative, if I will be veneering both sides???I do agree about the edgeing going on after....just have to convince my customer that it looks better, as well BTW...I was talking to one of your sales people on the ph. a few weeks back...inquiring about one of your systems......bottom line is, I can't afford to convert it to Canadian $'s.......so am attempting to build my own, for now...I do however, want to purchase one of your videos, as.....veneering is new to me.I also think this forum is GREAT!Thanks again!Carson: Dear Carson,: I know it would be easier to get maple ply and just veneer one side, but you will get some warping. You might get away with it on a side panel but not on a door. Sorry to say it, but you really should veneer both sides.: Veneering the panel large and trimming after is not the better way so much as the easier way. You dont have to worry about veneer overhang or the possibility of the veneer not sticking perfectly at the edges. Also, I like to capture the veneer inside my edging, even if its only a 1/16"nosing. Putting the edging on afterwards protects the veneer edges from getting caught and possibly chipped later. If you cant afford to see any solid edge from the face, you could still veneer oversized and edge band with just veneer to get your look.: sincerely: Darryl Keil: : I have an order to build some furniture with birds eye maple doors & : : end gables....my customer does not want the frame & panel look, : : so......I was planning to apply veneer to 3/4" maple plywood & keep : : the "A-1" side, as the inside of the door/cabinet's. Judging by what : : I've read here......this may not be the best thing to do, because of : : warpage etc....it just seems a big waste of good maple ply, if I have : : to veneer both sides.....your thought's would be greatly appreciated.: : Also......I was planning on glueing solid maple to all 4 edges of the : : door's before veneering, & then trim/sand the oversized veneer....as : : I don't like using edge tape. I thought this should work great, : : but.....have noticed a couple comments about making the panel : : oversized to begin with & then trimming to correct size after : : veneering....any suggestion's?: : Thanks in advance,: : Carson
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