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Tony Leonard

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Subject : Curved Aprons?
Posted : 2012-06-13 9:31 AM
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I'm building a small occaisional table with curved aprons. I have already buitlt the aprons using the brick laid technique out of poplar. I veneered them with my Compact 100. I used some striped mahogany. I didn't use any cauls over them, just some plastic to keep them from sticking to the bag (vinyl). I applied the glue to the wood, then aligned the veneer and taped it with blue tape. That worked pretty well, but I wondered if I could have done it better? I can see indentations from the tape. Pretty sure I will be able to get rid of them, but I'd prefer them not to have been there! I got a little squeeze out, but not too bad. Should I have used some cauls overe them and taped the cauls, not the veneer? What sort of material makes a good caul for a curved apron? These aprons are fairly small (quarter circles) at about 9" across. Thanks for any help. If I can't get these looking good, I may apply another layer!

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Tony


 
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ckurak

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Subject : RE: Curved Aprons?
Posted : 2012-06-13 6:57 PM
Post #36663 - In reply to #36660

Tony,

I use blue tape for assembling the pieces, but not for glue-up. During the gluing process I use veneer tape. The blue tape will leave indentations in the veneer. What most likely happened was that the glue underneath the veneer was squeezed out. This may not sound logical at first, but I believe that is what happened. (Someone please correct me if I have this wrong.)

Sanding the veneer may or may not help remove the indentations by bringing the surrounding veneer down to the same height as the indentations.

To use blue tape to assemble the project, I apply the blue tape on the back (glue-side) of the veneer. Then, I apply veneer tape on the "show side" (visible side when the project is complete). When the veneer tape dries, I remove the blue tape then continue on with the glue-up process.

Adding another layer of veneer over an uneven surface will probably not solve the indentation problem. The low points will simply telegraph (show through) to the top-most layer. Your choices might be a) sanding the veneer down to perfectly smooth (no indentations), or b) starting the project with new materials.

For taping a glue-up package together, a common method is to use clear, thin packing tape. This is much thinner than blue tape and avoids the indentation issue.

Using the plastic sheeting to protect your bag was a very smart move. When using a caul, I usually place the plastic sheeting between the veneer and the caul. This protects the caul and the bag at the same time. Be sure that your caul does not have any sharp edges that might puncture the bag when it is under vacuum.

Look at this as a great learning experience. We have all done things like this, and probably a lot worse. I know I have.

Good luck,

Charles

PS: Welcome to the forum.


 
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craig tufankjian

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Subject : RE: Curved Aprons?
Posted : 2012-06-14 6:58 PM
Post #36664 - In reply to #36663

You can also try adding a little water on the indented area which will swell the wood veneer.


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: Curved Aprons?
Posted : 2012-06-14 7:06 PM
Post #36665 - In reply to #36660

Videos by Darryl Keil and Paul Schurch are excellent learning and reference materials and would have answered some of your questions.

It is possible that the joints in your substrate will telegraph in time through the veneer. Two layers of veneer, at right angles, will reduce the chance of telegraphing.

When putting the package together, it is necessary to tape the veneer to the substrate to keep them in alignment. Many people use clear packing tape. I buy premium 3M brand now as less expensive packing tape kept tearing into little pieces as I was trying to remove it.

Caul material could be several layers of 1/8" italian poplar bending ply taped together, or plastic laminate if it would take the bend.

The purpose of the caul is to even out the thickness of the glue layer under the veneer. If there is a thicker pool of glue, the flexible bag will simply conform to the uneven surface of the veneer - a caul would even things out.

After the glue is cured you can wet your veneer thoroughly with a sponge and clean water. This may swell the veneer that was compressed under the bloue tape, and will cause any areas with poor glue adhesion to bubble.


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