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Gene Davis

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Subject : Veneering birchbark
Posted : 2008-09-08 1:41 PM
Post #34907

Where I am, the Adirondack great camp style of architecture is the preferred look for what gets built in the higher end of housing, and a lot of people like to see birchbark accents.

We are wondering if vacuum bag pressing would be an acceptable alternate to the caul-and-screws rude presses most of the cabinetmakers are using, when gluing rough pieces of birchbark to center panels of cabinet doors.


 
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Brian Gray

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Subject : RE: Veneering birchbark
Posted : 2008-09-08 6:00 PM
Post #34908 - In reply to #34907

I've never worked with birch-bark, but I would imagine that it's possible.

I think that a challenge would lie with seams.

If you wanted to have one piece that covers the entire project, then that would be easy.

Seams would bring up two issues...

1) You would have to be very careful about glue-squeeze-out, since you can't sand the surface.

2) How could you possibly control the material thickness? It would vary, and then seams would be a mess.

So I would think that if you have a project that is seamless, you should be OK, but seams could make this very tough.

But then again, I have never approached anything like this...I'm just guessing.

If you do something like this, I'd love to see some pics.



 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: Veneering birchbark
Posted : 2008-09-08 7:20 PM
Post #34910 - In reply to #34907

If you're new to vacuum veneering, Darryl's first video might be very useful. One issue Brian covered well - seams. Perhaps you could explain better how you use the rude clamping system now so we can better offer input. Usually, the "sandwich" (a substrate, glue layer, veneer) is topped by a 1/4" "caul" of non-stick material (melamine most often, or mdf/plywood with layer of 4 mil plastic over the veneer so glue squeezeout/bleedthrough won't stick to tje caul). The purpose of the caul is to prevent puddles of glue under the veneer, and the flexible vacuum bag could conform to on irregular surface rather than flatten it out. In your case, this might be an advantage as the bag would conform to varying thickness of birchbark.

How do you avoid glue squeezing up through the birchbark and onto the show surface with the rude clamp?

Do you not like the clamps you have, or are they owned by someone named Jim Rude?

Don


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Veneering birchbark
Posted : 2008-09-08 8:19 PM
Post #34912 - In reply to #34907

Gene,

I have not veneered birch bark personally but a couple of my customers do it regularly with the vacuum press. One of them in particular does only birch bark. So I can at least say people are using them quite successfully for this purpose.

As far as the process of getting one side smooth enough to glue down and dealing with seams, I have no idea.

In general, what you can do with clamps is only that much easier with vacuum, especially with an uneven surface.

Darryl Keil


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