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Mark McClellan

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Subject : Round Table edge
Posted : 2007-06-02 6:14 PM
Post #33852

I am a rank amatur just beginning to learn about veneering. I am making some small 20" round tables to practice and am thrilled how well my 8 segment top came out using the jig in Daryl's video to trim the edges of the veneer segments. I used two pieces of 3/4 MDF for the substrate. For the edge of the top I just put on some hot glued veneer edging. It looks so plain compared to the top. Any one got any suggestions on how I might spruce up the edges of the round tables.
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Mark


 
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Jim Clement

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Subject : RE: Round Table edge
Posted : 2007-06-03 4:55 PM
Post #33854 - In reply to #33852

I often put a 2-3" wide solid wood edging around the MDF center field. I use 5/4 or 6/4 wood to give the edge some visual substance. I usually use as many edge segments as here are segments in the radial lay-up. The trick is s nice tight joint between the MDF field and the edging. You need to cut 3 router templates using a router on a trammel arm. The first is a convex template of radius x, for the MDF field. The second is for cutting the inside of the solid wood edging, concave, with the radius x - (width of your router bit). Subtracting your router bit diameter will give you perfectly matching curves, concave and convex. The third template made using the radius of the finished tabletop, perhaps x + 2 1/2".
I usually glue a strip of dyed black (or white, depending on what wood the tabletop and edging is) veneer on edge between the field and the edging, resulting in a thin crisp line delineating the field from the edging. The veener strip is thin enough such that the radius is not altered enough to mess up the joint.
It took me a while to figure out the techinque, but once you understand it, it gives great results. The techinque is outlined in one of the chapters in Kim Carleton Graves' book on dining tables.


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: Round Table edge
Posted : 2007-06-07 4:28 PM
Post #33861 - In reply to #33852

Jim's suggestion produces an excellent look. I've done it several times and very pleased each time with the result.

Another option is to use dramatic raw veneer vertically. Don't know if they would match with your top, but quartersawn mahogany looks great, and quartersawn satinwood also can be very visual although it adds a yellow component.

Trim both edges of the sheet(s) of veneer to be straight, chip free and parallel. Using a square or something similar, cut across the grain to make strips about 1/4" wider than the width of the table edge. Tape them together to make a piece about 1" longer than the circumference. What adhesive is used is personal preference. A hot iron and PVA is very easy but may not offer the durability you'd like. Other adhesives with caul and band clamp stronger but messier, more involved.


 
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Bruce Berman

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Subject : RE: Round Table edge
Posted : 2007-06-13 8:44 PM
Post #33863 - In reply to #33852

Mark, there are a number of solutions for edging round veneered panels with pie cut faces, Jim’s solid wood solution is a classic and very high quality solution used by many professionals. Don’s suggestion using one of the veneer solutions is also excellent.
There are a few other solid wood solutions.
1. Edge your core in the manner suggested by Jim and then apply the Veneer, making sure the seams line up.
2. Edge your core in a band of solid wood that either matches or accents the wood in your faces. Experiment to find how thin you must cut the strips to get a smooth curve then do a dry fit with masking tape to make a scarf joint at the overlap. Using high quality masking tape or a web clamp with additional strips as cauls you can apply the banding using yellow glue or PVA. Sand the edging smooth with the face and then tape off the edges before veneering.
3. Banding can also be done after veneering but with much greater accuracy in the fitting and clamping. We have done this solution with multiple layers to give additional thickness as well as visual interest of the concentric circles for the edge. It helps to tape off the faces before edging.

There are a few more veneer edging solutions in addition to Jim’s excellent suggestion.
1. Banding with decorative veneer parallel to the edge can also work in the same manner described above for thin solid wood. Just remember that it is more fragile solution. I would not advise pre-edging with veneer before doing the faces. The only good thing I can say for your hot melt edging is that it is easy to take off and start again.
2. Waterfall edging using the same veneer on the faces is I think the most visually sophisticated solution and not hard at all. First we take 4 or 5 minutes on the MVT to cut pie shaped bundle for the face, making it 3” longer than necessary. Then before separating the bundle draw a line that goes from the apex of the bundle to mid-point of the outer edge. The line bisects the pie shape. Measure back 1” from the outer edge and then draw a line across the bundle perpendicular to the to the original line. Put the bundle back in the MVT and slice along this perpendicular line cutting a bundle of edging. After veneering the face draw lines on all of the sections like that on the top leaf bisecting each section.. Take each piece of the edging bundle and do a center line like that of the top piece. You now have line up marks to apply edging to each section individually. We use masking tape and yellow glue and do each section separately cutting to fit the size of each section. See Jim’s gluing options. Other methods of cutting can be used as long as the bundle is not separated until the edging is cut away.

Bruce Berman
Miracle Veneer Trimmer





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