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Caleb Burkee

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Subject : Rippling
Posted : 2006-03-16 11:51 AM
Post #32901

I am having trouble veneering the bottom side of a arched table base. I am getting ripples close to the center of the arch. I have been doing smaller arches without this problem which I assume is because they have less distance to conform to.I have tried to put a thin dense foam on the form and made it worse. I am wondering if I should get rid of the form when veneering the arch and use the vacu-net.


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Rippling
Posted : 2006-03-16 10:17 PM
Post #32902 - In reply to #32901

Caleb,

There are a number of reasons that could be the cause rippling.

If the curved part does not get back on the form in exactly the same place it was formed, that could do it since the mating may not be perfect enough for the veneer.

The form itself may not have ribs placed close enough or a heavy enough skin to push back up against your curved panel.

I don't know what glue you are using, but too much, especially of a white or yellow glue will cause rippling as well.

Definitely the foam should be discarded as that will only exacerbate the problem.

Without knowing the exact cause I think your best solution is the one you suggest which is removing the form and platen all together and using just the bag and evacunet with a bendable caul over the veneer.

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Darryl Keil


 
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Caleb Burkee

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Subject : RE: Rippling
Posted : 2006-03-17 12:55 AM
Post #32903 - In reply to #32902

I am useing the unibond 800 glue and my form has 3/4" ply ribs 6" on center with 3/8" bender board as the skin. I was thinking of adding a second skin of 1/8" mdf but figured it would still conform to any imperfections.I will try useing the vacu net without the form but I was wondering if I would need to still use some bender for cauls so I wouldn't have to worry about tenting.


 
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Enrico Konig

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Subject : RE: Rippling
Posted : 2006-03-17 8:58 AM
Post #32904 - In reply to #32903

I've done a lot of large arches with my bags and haven't had the problem you describe. But I have had better luck with gluing the bottom veneer on the core at the same time that I glue the core up, rather than trying to apply the veneer to an already glued up core. If there are too many layers to do at once, I get the veneer on the bottom and as many layers glued as possible, do that pressing, and then without taking that off the form, just add the next batch of layers and outer layer of veneer and then back in the bag. Doesn't matter if it's two ply veneer or not. That way, you won't have the problem of trying to press veneer between two already formed pieces (the core & the form).

The other thing is that you need more than one layer of 3/8 rubber ply on your form for 6" centres. Need 3/4" of skin on 6" centres, otherwise need 3" centres on your ribs. I find that 3/8" rubber ply often is 1/4" or so, and two layers of that will still cause problems, i.e. you will be able to tell where the ribs were on your glued up piece on the side that was against the form. If you're using more than 2 layers on your form, Darryl recommends gluing them together before attaching that skin to your ribs (for rigidity), but I haven't had a problem going with 3 layers of 1/4" rubber ply directly onto the form.

Enrico


 
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Phoenix

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Subject : RE: Rippling
Posted : 2007-01-21 3:48 PM
Post #33554 - In reply to #32901

Try gentle steaming to relax the cellular structure to eliminate the ripples...


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