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Jeff Patrick


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Subject : cross banding?
Posted : 2004-04-27 5:04 PM
Post #31488

I am facing having to remake a tabletop because the veneer has "peeled up" at the joints. This is quartersawn mahogany, shop sawn to 1/8—3/32. All the veneer seams have failed. I did some distructive testing (I took a chisel and split out a couple of chunks of veneer on the bottom of the table, both top and bottom were veneered and both failed). It appears that the mdf core is where the failure occurred, not the glue line. I used Unibond 800.

I'm going to redo the table top with commercial veneer that will be a lot thinner. However, I'm wondering how to avoid the problem in the future since I like the ability to make my own veneer and I like the thickness that one can get with them.

Will a crossband layer of veneer between the mdf and the finished layer be advised? It seems to me that this sub-base will give a much tougher surface that will withstand the subsequent force of a thick veneer that wants to behave like a regular board. If this is the case, should one do a crossband layer in all applications? I'm looking for the "best" product, not the quickest or least costly. I'd appreciate any thoughts and/or help.



 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: cross banding?
Posted : 2004-04-27 9:17 PM
Post #31490 - In reply to #31488

Jeff,

For best results with resawn veneer I would lay up on a baltic birch or maybe apple ply. If your set on MDF then I would lay down a sub veneer like you mentioned.

Sincerely
Darryl Keil


 
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Jeff Patrick


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Subject : RE: cross banding?
Posted : 2004-04-27 10:11 PM
Post #31491 - In reply to #31490

I have been under the assumption that one must lay up veneer crossways to that below it. Therefore, I wouldn't be able to glue my veneer the length of the ply, only the width. Thus the advantage of mdf which has no grain direction. Am I mistaken? Can I lay-up my veneer with the grain running the same direction as the surface veneer of a sheet of ply?

A related question I have: what is the advantage, if any, of using mdf over plywood as a substrate?


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: cross banding?
Posted : 2004-04-28 8:48 PM
Post #31492 - In reply to #31491

Jeff,

On thick core ply's you must cross band for stability. On a thin backer ply(1/32" or less) you can veneer in the same direction. If you look at a standard sheet of veneer grade plywood you will find the cores are thicker and the last veneer on both sides is much thinner. Its those core layers you need to be insulated from.

As far as MDF over plywood as a substrate, there are benifits to both. Yes MDF is a great substrate for veneering but there are times when I prefer plywood and sometimes particle board as well. My all time favorite substrate is a product thats very hard to find called "Armorcore" by States Industries in Oregon. Its a veneer core plywood with a thin layer of MDF on both sides. The best of both worlds. I know some folks who make up their own version of this product by laying up 1/8" MDF on both side of a 1/2" plywood core.

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Darryl Keil


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