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Don Stephan

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Subject : Veneered Table Edge Treatment Options
Posted : 2004-03-14 12:46 PM
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Trying to organize my understanding of edge treatments. Table top will be MDF core, decorative veneer (curly cherry, crotch mahogany, ...) on top, backer mahogany on bottom.

If I edge glue matching solid wood to the MDF and mitre the corners, I should two ply the two veneers so the joints do not telegraph, and the veneer would extend to all four edges. The finished top would show long grain on all four sides. Yellow glue to attach the edging, Unibond for the veneer.

If I edge glue solid wood after veneering the MDF and mitre the corners, I can use single ply veneers, and the top's outside border would be the solid wood. The finished top would again show long grain on all four sides. Yellow glue to attach the edging, Unibond for the veneer.

If I veneer also the four sides of the top, I would use yellow glue to attach the veneer to the MDF edges, trim flush, and then use Unibond to attach single ply veneer to the top and bottom. On round tables, the veneered edging could be applied with the grain running vertically or horizontally. On rectangular table tops, the veneered edging would be applied horizontally on all four edges. Would have to be very careful trimming flush and sanding the top and bottom veneers to avoid chipping and round overs.

For a contemporary look, the edges of the MDF could be filled and then finished in an opaque color, but uncovered MDF would be more prone to dents than hard wood or even veneer. A dyed veneer edging would be longer lasting.

Are these assumptions correct? Are there other (tasteful) options not included?

Is one type of edge treatment most appropriate for traditional furniture styles?

Are rectangular table tops with edge veneer typically banded with the grain horizontal?

If the top is edged with veneer, is the (yellow glue) iron method described in old posts approximately as strong as gluing with clamps and wooden cauls?

Are there other issues/questions that should be addressed?

Thanks for your thoughts and time. When the discussion is completed I will cut and paste the contents into my veneering notes.


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Veneered Table Edge Treatment Options
Posted : 2004-03-14 7:52 PM
Post #31369 - In reply to #31368
Don,

Wanted you to know that you can veneer over an applied solid wood edging if a couple of rules are followed. First and most important is to use a glue like Unibond 800 or epoxy. Both these glues have no cold creep like yellow glues so will not telegraph through over time at the glue joint. The second condition is to keep the edging thin, no more than 1/4 of an inch, or at least no more than a 1/4" under the veneer.

On of my favorite techniques is to apply a solid edging, veneer over it, and then shape a detail into the solid that has a 1/16" step at the top to give a clean transition between the veneer and solid. The other edge treatment I like is to glue up three strips of veneer of different species to the edge of the solid and then apply this to the veneered panel. It appears like the three veneers were inlayed in but in reality all you did was glue them to the solid before hand. Lets say its a cherry top. I would apply two strips of black dyed veneer to the solid edging with a piece of cherry veneer in between the black pieces. The other way I come at it is to press up the three veneers as a three ply and then cut off strips the thickness of the solid edging and glue the three ply to the edging. Whats nice about this, is when you mitre the solid edging onto the table the veneer pieces are already apart of the edging which makes the mitering process so much easier. And the final results look quite classy.

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Darryl Keil


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: Veneered Table Edge Treatment Options
Posted : 2004-03-15 9:23 AM
Post #31370 - In reply to #31369
Thanks for the input. I never would have realized edging no wider than 1/4" could be veneeered over, and certainly would not have thought of the neat trick with the veneer sheets.

Regarding vertical veneered edge banding, is that technique only used on round tables? What about a demi-lune table like the one you built?

Thanks again.


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Veneered Table Edge Treatment Options
Posted : 2004-03-15 9:07 PM
Post #31371 - In reply to #31370
Don,

The technique of applying strips of veneer to the inside edge of a solid nosing and then glueing it to the panel is done on straight work as well as curved work.

I did not use this technique on the demi lune table you are referring to. Because the top had a short grain border I veneered over a 3/16" solid rosewood edge and the shaped a double beaded profile on it.

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Darryl Keil
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