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Andy Pitts

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Subject : Will Unibond Fail Question
Posted : 2011-11-22 3:39 PM
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Hi, I've been using Unibond 800 for some years, mainly for bent laminations. I recently used it to reglue two 6/4 soft maple planks, each cut sequentially from the same cant for drying, together face-to-face to make up a thicker plank for a fireplace mantle (see my YouTube video at his link, or channel AndyPitts1000 for more info: http://youtu.be/A81nOZe7gHU). All is fine, but today I gave a shop tour to a very experienced boat builder and he asked if the Unibond would "give" enough to allow the glueup to move seasonally, particularly since the plank would be a fireplace mantle where there is extreme drying in winter (the house is in Virginia and is air conditioned in summer, btw). I explained that the planks were essentially the same thick plank that had been milled in half, dried, then reglued so that all grain was going the same direction. He said he understood, but asked if the thin film of Unibond between the planks would fail, since Unibond does not allow creep, when the assembly changed dimension seasonally. It would be as though the Unibond was a stable center ply, trying to hold two thick planks from growing and shrinking. He said he had seen similar failures with epoxy in the boat industry. Hmmmm...I've never had a failure on panels I've made, nor on bent laminations, but I thought I'd ask if anyone has seen failures in this mode with very thick planks. Thanks, Andy.


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Will Unibond Fail Question
Posted : 2011-11-23 12:15 PM
Post #36523 - In reply to #36522

Andy,

I doubt your lay up will have any problems because, (and I'm assuming here), it is not all that wide, mantles usually are somewhat narrow. Its the really wide stuff that may cause issues.

What I would say is that Unibond 800 likes a sanded surface, rather than straight out of the planer, for good bonding on solid wood, especially species like maple.

Darryl Keil


 
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Andy Pitts

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Subject : RE: Will Unibond Fail Question
Posted : 2011-11-23 3:21 PM
Post #36524 - In reply to #36523

Thanks, Darryl,

That's what I felt, too. The maple planks are 12 inches wide and each plank is 6/4, making a 12 inch wide by 3 inch thick mantle nine feet long. I dried the wood to about 8% MC and sanded the surfaces, and I figured that EMC difference between summer and winter to be only a percent or so, and I'm doubting wood that thick will respond to the relative humidity swing and see the complete EMC swing at the glueline in the few months between seasons. The dimension change would be less than .0027 inch per inch of width, a pretty small amount. And, in the past I've also glued up 20 inch wide x 3/4 inch thick curved laminations of walnut and cherry, using four laminates about 3/16 inch thick, and have had no problems. I'm thinking my boat builder friend (from Maine, btw) is seeing dry lumber take on a lot of EMC in a marine environment, and his stresses are much greater than mine.

Thanks again,
Andy Pitts


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