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texasthunderwoodwork

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Subject : A few more flattning questions if you dont mind
Posted : 2008-05-11 8:00 PM
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I have a couple more questions regarding flattning veneer.
I have seen a couple different recipes for a home made flattning solution,
one uses white glue, and the other uses powdered Urea glue.
Is there any advantages one has over the other?

I have seen some tips that say you can mist a burl prior to putting it in the press, it is suppose to keep it from cracking and splitting.
Couldn't you take one that is almost dry from the flattning proceadures and accomplish the same thing? As long as you used a meter to measure the moisture content wouldnt this work?

Thanks
Dave



 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: A few more flattning questions if you dont mind
Posted : 2008-05-11 8:13 PM
Post #34541 - In reply to #34540

I've never seen a flattening receipe using urea glue . . .

Regarding an almost dry burl, if not fully dry it will begin to curl, ripple, and lots of other nasty things almost immediately after being removed from pressure. If the burl needs to be trimmed/assembled with other veneers/. . . it will quickly become to "unflat" to use, long before under pressure in the vacuum press.

My suggestion would be to try flattening some veneer, expose it to ambient air when you think it's ready, and see what happens.

I thought the surrounding sheets of paper were staying bone dry so I thought the olive ash burl veneer was fully dry. As I trimmed and taped into two-sheet matches, I found it was becoming un-flat but didn't know what that implied. I applied white glue to its back as well as the substrate, misted the front with water, and when the glue was dry began ironing the veneer onto the substrate as described in a FWW article by Mario Rodriguez. Don't know when it started, but the next day I found parts of some well-taped seams had separated up to 1/16" due to veneer shrinkage.

I don't plan to use PVA and an iron for anything more than dead flat dry tabletop edging in the future. Also purchased a moisture meter to be able to track moisture levels in the future when flattening veneer. Haven't had to use flattening solution since that episode several years ago, but don't want that nightmare again.

Whatever you decide, I'd suggest full-bore testing before starting the actual project.

My two cents.


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: A few more flattning questions if you dont mind
Posted : 2008-05-12 8:41 PM
Post #34542 - In reply to #34540

Dave,

The problem with pressing any veneer that is not completely dry is it will dry out eventually. If it ends up drying out after you've pressed it you're bound to have evidence of shrinkage on your panel, open seams, cracks in the veneer, fissuring, things like that. Veneer should be good and dry before pressing.

As far as using plastic resin glue in a flattening formula, the problem is the shell flour that is part of this glue does not dissolve so it just ends up all over the surface of your veneer. Tried it once, what a mess,never again.

Darryl


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