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Greg Zall

 
Subject : Ipe gluing notorious for problems
Posted : 2006-05-28 6:52 PM
Post #33080

I am veneering up a counter top in Ipe a very hard oily wood. Anyone have any experience with this? I am planning to use unibond 800, I love this glue and use it on all my veneer projects but should I switch to epoxy for the Ipe.
The next question; It will be a 2 1/2" top that will project 14" off the cabinet for chairs to sit at. I was planning to build a tortion box with 3/4" plywood core and a 3/4" top and bottom. Then I would veneer the top and bottom in one glue up. Is it a better plan to use the one inch honey comb for the core? Is it stronger? Would I be better off gluing the Ipe to the top and bottom in separate glue ups and then glue them to my core?
Thanks in advance, Greg


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: Ipe gluing notorious for problems
Posted : 2006-05-29 10:54 AM
Post #33081 - In reply to #33080

Greg:

Don't know if it really matters, but all the mentions of "strip core" torsion boxes I can recall used solid wood for the core, not plywood.

I've built torsion boxes both ways - strip core and honeycomb paper. The latter is much much faster to put together, and the former can sound hollow or "tinny" when tapped between the strips. No thought on whether one is stronger than the other.

If you use paper honeycomb, it's easy to trim to size on the table saw with a little patience and care.

No experience gluing ipe. You might search on the Fine Woodworking forums (Knots).

After posting, I searched FWW on "ipe glue" and found the results most interesting. As many people found polyurethane and ipe to be a match made in heaven as those who had complete glue failure. Same with expoxy and other glues. Many advocated wiping with acetone prior to glueup to clean the ipe. Might be worth reconsidering the wood choice, or at least making a number of test glueups.


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Ipe gluing notorious for problems
Posted : 2006-05-30 4:26 PM
Post #33084 - In reply to #33080

Unibond 800 is designed to handle oily wood but I would recommend a test just to be sure. For solid wood a sanded surface is better than a milled one so rough up the gluing area. Let the glue cure for 24 hours before testing the joint. If for some reason you dont have success I would use either epoxy or polyurethane.

If you were going to use the 1" honeycomb I would glue the core plywood to the honeycomb first then glue the Ipe to this panel. I think you would be pleased with the results using the honeycomb. Its easy to work with and provides a very strong stable panel. You get a lot more surface contact points with honeycomb than with a plywood core.

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Darryl Keil

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Darryl Keil


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