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Subject : And yet another both sides question
Posted : 2005-06-14 5:45 PM
Post #32262

First, thanks for the answers to my last post about bandsawing veneers. I must say while I haven't yet purchased a vacupress I will be in the future and the value added from not only the video and this forum would seem to make up for any savings I would get by going with a different system

Keep in mind, I'm new to veneering...

So here goes the next question. Now in general I understand the principle behind veneering both sides, it would strike me as the same principle behind finishing all exposed sides, but people seem to advise you veneer both sides when using plywood as a substrate. Is not the other side of a plywood substrate ALREADY veneered? As well, one of the reasons stated for using the veneer as well as a stiff glue is the stability of the final product, I mean any piece of 3/4" MDF or Plywood will warp if you leave it unfinished. I usually figured the stability of these products was eventually attributed to the finished structure of the piece as well as the finish to slow the expansion/contraction. Now maybe it's just one of those things you got to see to believe but a 3/32 piece of veneer warping a 3/4" MDF panel that's finished and encorporated into a structure of a table, etc? Now the argument may be moot anyway cause nobody buying a quality pice is going to want to look under a table and see the MDF core, the back veneer best use may just be the fact that it keeps the illusion of a solid piece.

Mike


 
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Brian Gray

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Subject : RE: And yet another both sides question
Posted : 2005-06-15 9:30 AM
Post #32263 - In reply to #32262

You are correct about comparing veneering one side to finishing one side....it's like creating a barrier that moisture cannot get through. But this is only one aspect that can lead to a panel warping.

The other is that the adhesive will commonly shrink very slighty as it cures. This will lead to warping unless you treat the other side in the same way. So it's not the 1/32" piece of veneer that is effecting the 3/4" plywood...it's largely the adhesive shrinking.

Your rationale that a piece of plywood should not react this way because there is already veneer on the other side makes perfect sense, but you're forgetting the adhesive. The adhesive shrinking leads to an imbalance.

Also, notice that all commercial plywood is always balanced when it comes to the number of sheets and their thicknesses....it's for these reasons that they do that.

There are some instances where you don't need to veneer both sides, but it's usually safer and not a huge bother to just do both sides.

I would recommend doing a search of this forum for this issue. It comes up a lot, and there's always something new to learn from the posts of various people. Every so often I'll take an hour or so and just browse through the old threads...I have found that this forum and it's archives is probably the best resource for veneering knowledge that I've ever found...internet or books....

By the way, Darryl...if the day ever comes that you need to wipe some of the archives due to storage space, please let us know in advance so we can save them beforehand!!!

Good luck, and keep us updated on your progress!!


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: And yet another both sides question
Posted : 2005-06-15 10:12 AM
Post #32265 - In reply to #32263

Brian,

Dont worry, I have no intention of removing any of the old posts. Too much useful information to delete any of it.

Sincerely
Darryl Keil


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