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Subject : A few questions
Posted : 2005-01-14 11:34 PM
Post #31985

Darryl,

I have a few questions I hope you can answer.

First is a question for general edification. I have used PVA with a vacuum press before with success, and I know it's not a problem. However, the PVA manufacturers recommend 175-250 psi clamping pressure, which is more than 10 times what the vacuum gets. Can you shed some light on this apparent discrepancy?

Second, I am getting ready to laminate a top for my workbench, which will be eight to ten pieces of 2" to 2-1/2" thick maple laminated together for a total width of roughly 20 inches. The finished top will be 3" thick. Normally, I would use pipe clamps and then use a hand plane to plane the top flat. But I wonder if this is something that could be done in a vacuum press. The idea would be that I would joint the edges of the maple before glue-up, such that the top-of-the-workbench edge of each piece is perfectly flat. Then, I would laminate them together in the vacuum bag face-down against a platten so that the show edges on each piece are all in the same plane, minimizing or eliminating the work that would otherwise be necessary to flatten the top. I would probably need to laminate the pieces a couple at a time because of the limited open time of PVA glue. A couple questions: (1) would the vacuum give adequate clamping pressure? (2) any other problems doing something like this? and (3) how likely am I to have a perfectly flat edge against the platen when the glue dries?

Cheers,
Kelby.


 
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Subject : RE: A few questions
Posted : 2005-01-16 9:18 AM
Post #31988 - In reply to #31985

Kelby,

This is a question I also asked when we first put the VacuPress onto the market. I had been using it for years in my own shop we great success so I knew it worked just fine, but also knew we would get this question.

I had a University do electron microscope scans of glue lines pressed with conventional methods and the VacuPress. The glue line thickness and penetration was equal in both test. I was informed that the reason vacuum works as well as conventional methods is due to the added effect of vacuum force which pulls the air out of the cell structure of both veneer and substrate. These negative air spaces pull the glue in, so with vacuum you have the combined forces of atmospheric pressure and vacuum draw. This is only successful as long as you have good intimate contact.

The other issue is glue manufactures way over rate the required pressures. I had a long talk with one of the major glue companies and he told me that 30psi would work just fine as long as there was good intimate contact. Actually your numbers were higher than I have ever heard. Most hot pressed dont achieve that kind of pressure anyway.

As far as your bench top, if I'm understanding it correctly, I think it's a job for good old bar clamps not a vacuum press.

Sincerely
Darryl Keil


 
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Subject : RE: A few questions
Posted : 2005-01-22 1:49 AM
Post #32004 - In reply to #31988

Thanks, Darryl. Your explanation makes a lot of sense. I got the numbers from the Franklin website, under their specs for their wood glue. I thought they seemed very high as well.


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