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Don Stephan

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Subject : Traditional face frames with veneered inset drawers
Posted : 2004-04-04 10:24 PM
Post #31419

I've been wondering about face frames around fully inset, ****beaded veneered drawers. Found a note in one book that the face frames usually were veneered, with the grain vertical. Face frame usually 3/4" thick, vertical grain veneer would be perpendicular on rails but parallel on styles (to frame grain). Wouldn't this best be done as two ply? The fanciest drawer fronts seem to be unstable veneer such as crotch and burl, and they would best be two ply. Often the figure was centered on the drawer fronts, which would preclude matched assembly for the entire front of the piece with the individual pieces cut out. I'm just thinking (and puzzling) out loud here - can anyone with knowledge offer comments/guidance? Thanks.


 
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Jason Stumpf

 
Subject : RE: Traditional face frames with veneered inset drawers
Posted : 2004-04-07 6:10 AM
Post #31430 - In reply to #31419

Don,
I don't know what book you are reading there, but I'd beg to differ about face frames *usually* being veneered. (I will grant you that they sometimes are!) I would venture to guess that veneering face frames becomes necessary when you are using an unstable wood (like crotch or burl), achieving a grain match across the entire front, or using very expensive and hard to get material. Otherwise, I can't see why you'd want the extra work of veneering after you've joined the frames together. Don't forget too, that veneered face frames leave the edge of the veneer exposed, so chipping is quite possible down the road, especially in high-use areas. Personally, I'd reccommend very careful selection of frame material over veneer. I tend to favor quartersawn stock for this. If you do veneer over the frames, I think 2-ply would be best, considering that you will be running perpendicular to the grain on the rails.
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Traditional face frames with veneered inset drawers
Posted : 2004-04-12 9:16 PM
Post #31441 - In reply to #31419

Don,

I have over the years observed older furniture that is veneered every which way on every surface. I think old veneer that is coming off is usually because of hyde glue but I also think some of that is from bad veneering practices. Yes, there is a lot of sound veneering on old furniture but some veneer work Ive seen seems to ignores all the rules and the long term results show it. I would say that two ply is the answer in most of these situations but even then, two ply cant be used on top of every substrate in every situation.

Sincerely
Darryl Keil


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