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Subject : Veneering on Ultralite MDF
Posted : 2004-01-25 8:35 AM
Post #31225

I've seen in past threads that using ultralite as a substrate is not recommended.Wish I'd seen them earlier, but I will report my experiances.
I've been using the TruPan (brand name) for doors,shelves and countertops, all with walnut veneer.All parts are banded with solid walnut; mitered,glued and clamped with either a tongue and groove, spline or biscuit in the joint. After drying, all blanks are sanded flush in a wide belt sander to 120 grit.Using Unibond 800 as the adhesive with the air temp at 60 to 65 degrees, the blanks were glued with a roller application making sure to get the substrate wet with glue.
Also,I used a 5:1 ratio for the glue so it did not set too fast.Into the bag till dry at full hardness.

Observations/problems: I've been getting a normal amount of glue bleed through, easy to sand off. No joints have telegraphed (so far).
Some small de-laminations, allways with the grain of the veneer.This is what I've seen- at the de-laminations, the glue has adhered to the sub- strate and separated from the veneer, with very few exceptions.This is over the course of 250 sq ft+ of coverage and the failures have been less than 12 sq inches.The loose areas were flat, you had to tap to find them.
What have you folks experianced with this material? Is there a manufacturer of the material we can consult? I was working in ignorance and I'd like to know what I might expect down the road. Another job using the same materials/methods left the shop 6 mos.ago and the mechanic who did it reports no problems(with fingers crossed!) Thanks, Mark



 
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Subject : RE: Veneering on Ultralite MDF
Posted : 2004-01-26 8:19 PM
Post #31231 - In reply to #31225

Mark,

To properly analyze why veneer had adhesion problems I always like to have a conversation to get all the data. Without that extra data the only thing that jumps out at me is your low pressing temperatures. Unibond 800 really needs 65 degrees and above, 60 degrees is too low. The only other thing is the glue on the substrate without much tranfer to the veneer. This is one of the problems with the ultralite, its so porous the glue can get drawn into the substrate and doesnt get enough tranfer onto the veneer. You did get some bleed through so I cant be sure about that observation. It could be just a temperature problem.

The main thing I know is that enough folks have had trouble with the ultralite mdf's that I stay clear of them for veneering and do not generally recommend using it. You can give me a call at 207-725-0935 if you would like to talk further.

Sincerely
Darryl Keil



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