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Subject : unbalanced?
Posted : 2001-01-23 10:11 PM
Post #30132

I just visited a shop where a couple of their practices raised questions and I would like to answer them just for curiosity's sake. First, they would build mortise & tenon frames with a 1/4" panel for cabinet sides and backs. The 1/4" walnut panels came from the supplier with a good/A face and I think luan or such on back. On any of the panels which would be seen from the inside (like an armoir), they would veneer with a good face veneer over the luan. This creates an unbalanced "sandwich", but does it matter? Will the frame control? Would this practice create enough pressure to warp a door?Second question. I know in my gut that contact cement is inappropriate, but I really don't know the explanation why. Please make the argument against. Thanks for any enlightenment.



 
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Darryl Keil

 
Subject : unbalanced?
Posted : 2001-01-24 8:08 PM
Post #30181 - In reply to #30132

Dear David,I think the stability of the frame and panel doors depend partly on how big they are and how beefy the frame is. The panel in it will absolutely warp to some degree but the frame can control that up to a point. Its not the way I would do it but it may work well enough for them.About contact cement. The whole concept of veneer is about slicing wood thin enough that when you glue it down to can overcome seasonal expansion and contraction by the thinness of the wood and the strength of the glue. Contact cement is really a flexible glue line and cannot keep veneer from moving. It may hold but it cant stop it from moving, and in many cases it doesnt really hold for long either. From a distance you may not see any problems but get down close and look at a contact cement veneer job a year later and it would not be acceptable to me. Contact cement is really designed to bond non-expanding stable materials like plastic laminate that really are not going anywhere. The main reason people use it is because they dont have a press and how are you going to veneer any other way without it. Thats my take on it. I sell more vacuum presses because of contact cement failures than any other single reason. For that reason I suppose I ought to like contact cement better.SincerelyDarryl Keil: I just visited a shop where a couple of their practices raised : questions and I would like to answer them just for curiosity's sake. : First, they would build mortise & tenon frames with a 1/4" panel for : cabinet sides and backs. The 1/4" walnut panels came from the : supplier with a good/A face and I think luan or such on back. On any : of the panels which would be seen from the inside (like an armoir), : they would veneer with a good face veneer over the luan. This creates : an unbalanced "sandwich", but does it matter? Will the frame control? : Would this practice create enough pressure to warp a door?: Second question. I know in my gut that contact cement is : inappropriate, but I really don't know the explanation why. Please : make the argument against. : Thanks for any enlightenment.




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