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Jason

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Subject : Re-veneering a recessed panel!
Posted : 2011-05-02 10:25 PM
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Needing help/ adivice!!
Here's the deal I was installing cabinets for a contractor today. When trying to sqeeze a cabinet through the door opening the cabinet slipped from my hands and dented the door! A nice 32"w. x 6' 8"ht. recessed panel, clear vertical grain fur. The dent landed right in the center of the recessed panel. My question is has anyone ever veneered over a recessed panel and succeded? The panel is 2'x 5'and is recessed a 1/2" from the stiles and rails. My biggest concern is trimming the veneer to the exact dimensions of the panel. The contractor was not there today, however I will bring my "mess up" to his attention tomorrow. I really do not want to buy a new door!
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ron hester

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Subject : RE: Re-veneering a recessed panel!
Posted : 2011-05-03 5:09 AM
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Depending on the dent size, depth etc., have you considered attempting to steam the dent flush? I have had success with this technique on small dents.


 
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Jason

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Subject : RE: Re-veneering a recessed panel!
Posted : 2011-05-03 6:55 AM
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Ron,
The dent had actually tore through the veneer. I'm thinking the dent has to be filled (bondo), then sand the finish off the panel, make a call that will fit the exact size of the panel, and then try to make a perfect veneer fit (the crux) butting into the stile and rails. What do you think?


 
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mike mcnerney

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Subject : RE: Re-veneering a recessed panel!
Posted : 2011-05-03 8:43 AM
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Jason,
I think the perfect fit thing is not that doable. I guess you are thinking to put the entire door in the bag?
I suggest you ask this question on the homestead finishing forum?
There are a myriad of ways to fill this. Burnin stick probably being the most professional method. I have had decent results with the wax pencils but I have 75 colours & have even used 2 or 3 colours in one dent to simulate grain. But depending on who you are & if the dent is right at eye level I would try to find an expert touch up guy & see if you can see an example of his work. In my mind it would be worth a 100 bucks to pay someone else.
Mike McNerney


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Re-veneering a recessed panel!
Posted : 2011-05-03 3:31 PM
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Jason,

The main difficulty with reveneering a recessed panel is the fit and especially the expansion that will happen when the glue hits the veneer. The answer is, make a two ply. First, it will be easy to cut and trim to fit without cracking or chipping the veneer. Second, two ply won't expand when it comes in contact with the glue. All you need on top is a closely fitting cover sheet so you get good pressure around the edges where the bag tends to sweep inward rather than straight down.

I would not use a platen otherwise you will need spacer cauls between the recessed panel and the platen. Without a platen the bag can conform the door. Make sure to use some netting for air evacuation if you don't use a platen.

Darryl Keil


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: Re-veneering a recessed panel!
Posted : 2011-05-03 6:58 PM
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And after all of that, the new veneer will have to be sanded and finished to match the rest of the door. I would order a replacement door and be done with it.


 
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Jason

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Subject : RE: Re-veneering a recessed panel!
Posted : 2011-05-03 9:12 PM
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Darryl,
Thanks for the input! I've never made a 2ply before. How would I go about doing such a thing? Is it as straight forward as it sounds? Veneer two sheets together? Would 1/8" melamine work for a cover sheet?


 
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craig tufankjian

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Subject : RE: Re-veneering a recessed panel!
Posted : 2011-05-03 9:22 PM
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My approach would be to cut the panel out completely. If you have stick and cope door then I would route out the back profile so the entire panel can be removed. Then make a new panel and add a molding on the back to hold the panel in. same principle if the door was a glass door.

sometimes you can break the joints on the door by spreading it with a bar clamp in reverse. Sometimes that is.

Who's the manufacturer? was it custom made local? Does it have to match a bank of cabinets?

Is there a plumber on the job? if so, blame him....


 
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Jason

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Subject : RE: Re-veneering a recessed panel!
Posted : 2011-05-03 10:12 PM
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Craig,
Good ideas, however this is not a stick and cope door. A single panel stile and rail. The door thickness is a beefy 1 3/4". I don't know if I want to attempt dismantling. Fur is so dang soft.
Unfortunately, the plumbers were not on the scene. Poor plumbers always getting a bad rap!
Thanks for the advice!


 
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Jason

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Subject : RE: Re-veneering a recessed panel!
Posted : 2011-05-04 6:54 AM
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Darryl,
I had found some reconstituded douglar fir and the width of one sheet will fit the panel. What are your thoughts on reconstituded veneers?
If I make my own 2 ply can the underlayer be of another species?
Thanks,
Jason


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Re-veneering a recessed panel!
Posted : 2011-05-04 12:17 PM
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Jason,

If you like the reconstituted fir and it doesn't look different from the other panels, its fine to use. I would use a nice stable species for the backer ply, like mahogany. Just run the backer veneer perpendicular to the fir, pressed between a couple of sheet of 1/4" material.

Two ply can sit nice and flat but sometimes it want to curl up as it dries, so keep it weighted under a 3/4" sheet of something once it comes out of the press. I would wait a day and then trim it to fit the door.

Darryl Keil


 
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Jason

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Subject : RE: Re-veneering a recessed panel!
Posted : 2011-05-04 7:06 PM
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Darryl,
I'll give it a shot!
Thanks for the great advice.
Jason


 
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Jason

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Subject : RE: Re-veneering a recessed panel!
Posted : 2011-05-16 11:01 AM
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Darryl,
My veneer arrived over the weekend so I will be starting the process.
I have one other question about the close fitting cover sheet you mentioned. When my veneer is ready for the press your suggesting a close fitting cover sheet and then my breather mesh so the bag will contour to the door. How thick of a cover sheet? Will 1/8" masonite work?



 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Re-veneering a recessed panel!
Posted : 2011-05-16 3:24 PM
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Jason,

I would suggest a 1/4" or better cover sheet. When the bag goes over the edge of the stiles and rails of the door and down to meet the panel there will be a lack of pressure around the perimeter where the bag sweeps, a 1/4" sheet will transfer pressure right along the edges better than an 1/8" sheet will.

Darryl Keil


 
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Jason

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Subject : RE: Success in re veneering a recessed panel!
Posted : 2011-05-30 10:59 AM
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Darryl,

I just wanted to say thank you for all of your advice. I pulled the door out of the bag last night and it looked absolutely perfect! A little glue clean up and onto spraying. You saved my wallet!

Thanks again,

Jason Dietrich

If interested I could send you before and after pictures.
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