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Paula

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Subject : Flamed Sycamore
Posted : 2005-07-15 11:18 AM
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I'm building some kitchen cabinets, and trying to pick a wood to use. I had a picture in my head of cabinets made of quartersawn cherry with drawer fronts of cherry crotch, but when I talked to someone at Certainly Wood he told me that cherry crotch is pretty hard to find and that the pieces they do get are pretty small. So I'm looking for something else - something that isn't too dark, but a nice figured wood for the drawer fronts.

I've seen flamed sycamore, and it looks like it can be pretty spectacular, but I've only ever seen references to it on musical instruments. Is it normally referred to by another name? Any other thoughts on a figured veneer that I could use on my drawer fronts?

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DracKewl

Subject : RE: Flamed Sycamore
Posted : 2005-08-10 10:37 AM
Post #32327 - In reply to #32307

I love Sycamore and it's a great alternative then traditional Oak/Mpl/Chy. I've done pillow doors with a cobalt blue stain which had an incredible transparency to it. The one thing you need to be aware of is that the veneer can crack during forming and on the corners you may want to create square relief cuts.

I have a picture of how it turned out.

Attached file : Door.JPG (41KB - 386 downloads)

Attached file : Door2.JPG (43KB - 391 downloads)

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Earl

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Subject : RE: Flamed Sycamore
Posted : 2005-08-10 2:13 PM
Post #32329 - In reply to #32327

Drac, very nice doors. I did some flat panel doors about 10 yrs ago with english sycamore and a dark Purple dye. The dye really gives a dramatic pop to the grain.

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Paula

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Subject : RE: Flamed Sycamore
Posted : 2005-08-10 6:34 PM
Post #32331 - In reply to #32327

Those doors are very cool! One of the things I like about flamed sycamore is how great it looks dyed.

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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Flamed Sycamore
Posted : 2005-08-11 8:43 AM
Post #32336 - In reply to #32327

Drac,

Nice doors. I noticed they have radiused edges and was wondering if you were willing to share how you did this.

I have a method I use but would be interested in hearing yours. I think others would be interested as well.

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DracKewl

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Subject : RE: Flamed Sycamore
Posted : 2005-08-11 9:19 AM
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Thanks for the compliments guys!I bought a custom tool for my shaper to do this profile. It's pretty much a standard door profile you can see in most kitchen showrooms as well in office furniture. I've attached a drawing showing what the profile looks like up close and how I laid out the veneer. The reason why I chose to do the backer first is so that when you open the door you wont see any glue lines on the edge, it's more apparent from behind. And the same reason why I did the edgeband second is so that when you look at the door head-on it looks clean. However if you wanted to save an extra waiting step you could do the edgebanding first followed by the top and bottom surface in one shot. The other thing I did is when I put the piece into the flip-flop table I used an extra piece of backer board to keep the glue off the table, it was oversized 2" around the finished piece. When I do doors like this again, I will be temped to try the Uniboard backer product. When doing doors this big it’s impossible to control the glue from seeping through the veneer. Too much sanding for my liking!

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Subject : RE: Flamed Sycamore
Posted : 2005-08-11 9:24 AM
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Flamed Sycamore
Posted : 2005-08-11 9:38 AM
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Drac,

Thanks for the cross section drawing and explanation. Did you have to do any special work with the veneer at the radiused miters or did the veneer just lay down fine?

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DracKewl

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Subject : RE: Flamed Sycamore
Posted : 2005-08-11 10:06 AM
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The one thing I forgot to mention is I taped the edgeband before I applied the top and bottom veneer. I did a 1" overhang of the veneer with small notches cut out of the corners for relief. If you leave it square there will be tearing on the corners for sure, and gets worse if there is too much overhang, Sycamore is just too bridle. The trim work was fairly easy with sandpaper and file. I didn't have to do anything special. I can see however if the veneer is too thin you can run into trouble real fast.

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Subject : RE: Flamed Sycamore
Posted : 2005-08-12 9:51 AM
Post #32345 - In reply to #32327

So how did you do those doors? Did you cut a notch out of each corner and ease the veneer over the edges? I've done a little curved work, but nothing that was curved in two directions.

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Subject : RE: Flamed Sycamore
Posted : 2005-08-12 11:16 AM
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Each corner needed to be notched out, but you still need some overhang (approx 3/8"

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Subject : RE: Flamed Sycamore
Posted : 2005-08-10 2:06 PM
Post #32328 - In reply to #32307

Paula, it depends on the look your after and how you incorporate the figured wood in with the qtd.

You can get a crotch Makore which is pretty close to cherry. Maybe a little darker. It's commonly available. You could even try some quilted or curly cherry in solids or veneer which would be an even better match.

Going with a English (Flamed) Sycamore would give a dramatic contrast natural, or less so, dyed to match. Whatever you choose I would take into consideration the overall design of the cabinets and how that choice is going to affect the appearance.

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Subject : RE: Flamed Sycamore
Posted : 2005-08-10 6:36 PM
Post #32332 - In reply to #32328

Thanks for the help. I think I'm going to build my kitchen cabinets from quartersawn anigre with fiddleback anigre for the drawer fronts. (I hope) it will be a very interesting look.

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Subject : RE: Flamed Sycamore
Posted : 2005-08-10 6:46 PM
Post #32333 - In reply to #32332

The Anigre, sounds like a good choice, not too dramatic, but has interest and figure. Also, I like the medium tannish color.

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Subject : RE: Flamed Sycamore
Posted : 2005-08-11 9:31 AM
Post #32340 - In reply to #32332

<A href="http://www.ayakitchens.com/products/door_exo_fer.html">http://www.ayakitchens.com/products/door_exo_fer.html</A>In the middle of the site you can change the Species/Finish to Figured Anigre. That should give you a good idea of what it will look like.

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