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rwayne

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Subject : thin substrate
Posted : 2009-09-10 9:49 AM
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I have tried to look up these questions in the archives but can not find exactly what I'm looking for for all of them.
I am just getting started and I am trying to find out all I can before I jump in with veneering.
#1 How thin of a substrate can I veneer to.
#2 I have tried Lowes,Menards and Home Depot for thin MDF ( smaller then 1/2 " no one has it and can not or will not order just one sheet.
#3 can 1/8" hardboard be used, is it a suitable substrate?
#4 are there other outlets for 1/4 and 1/8 " MDF (Can you even get 1/8" MDF)

Here in about a week I'm going to drive out to the East coast to see family and I'll probably take a trip to Maine to talk to Darryl
I have a lot of questions and ideas about what I'd like to do with veneer.
I hope this was not too long but thanks in advance .

Ron Hardy


 
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ckurak

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Subject : RE: thin substrate
Posted : 2009-09-10 1:24 PM
Post #35695 - In reply to #35694
Ron,

I doubt you are going to find what you want from the big box stores. They are selling to the general consumer and will only stock or order high volume/high profit items. That is there business model.

I can get 1/4" plywood at a local Woodcraft store. They usually sell it in small sheets such as 12"x12" up to 24"x30". They also have different thicknesses (1/8". 1/4", 3/8". 1/2", 3/4". Go to their website and search for "plywood".

Here is a link to Baltic Birch plywood on their website to get you started.

http://www.woodcraft.com/Family/2004113/2004113.aspx

You may also try a cabinet supplier. These companies may be a little harder to find, as some of them do not advertise to the general public. But, they sell lots of sheetgoods of all kinds to professional cabinet shops. By "cabinet supplier" I mean a business that sells raw materials to cabinet shops (drawer slides, cabinet hardware, sheetgoods, some hardwood lumber, screws, etc.).

Charles


 
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craig tufankjian

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Subject : RE: thin substrate
Posted : 2009-09-10 2:32 PM
Post #35696 - In reply to #35694
Ron,

Ditto on what Ckurak said. as for how thin a substrate you can veneer too , as little as 1/16. you can veneer to raw phenolic( which is the base for plastic laminate).

As for masonite , you will probably have problems with tempered masonite but not raw masonite, or hardboard as you call it.


Craig


 
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Gerry

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Subject : RE: thin substrate
Posted : 2009-09-10 5:09 PM
Post #35697 - In reply to #35694
#2) All our local Home Depots sell 1/4" MDF in 2x4 sizes. Look in the cut size rack at the end of the isle with the MDF.


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: thin substrate
Posted : 2009-09-10 6:54 PM
Post #35698 - In reply to #35694
Here in Cincinnati we have a hardwood lumber distributor that stocks 1/4 x 4 x 8 MDF sheets. I'm not sure 1/8 would be made as it would be hard to handle without breakage.
We also have a branch of Distributor Services Inc (DSI) and they stock 1/8" x 4 x 8 Italian poplar bending plywood.
Besides cabinet shop suppliers, you might look for local distributors of paper backed veneer and wood-on-wood. Distributors of those products likely would carry thinner sheet stock.


 
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rwayne

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Subject : RE: thin substrate
Posted : 2009-09-11 8:08 AM
Post #35700 - In reply to #35698
Thanks for all the information. I am not sure what the difference is between tempered and raw hardboard or why one would be ok to veneer too and the other wouldn't. I will do some more checking at Home Depot.


 
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craig tufankjian

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Subject : RE: thin substrate
Posted : 2009-09-11 10:45 AM
Post #35701 - In reply to #35700
Ron,

Assuming we are talking about the same innocuous dark brown board used primarily for pegboard.

The difference between the two are that un-tempered is very easy to snap or break and is not very resistant to flex. Tempered is very hard and very flexible. the tempering process also makes the sheet less prone to moisture as you can see from the smooth sheen on tempered masonite. this sheen and smoothness makes the product non porus. which for veneering is not good. nothing for an adhesive to "grab". tempering simply makes the sheet harder and more flexible.

next time your at home depot look at a piece of peg board(tempered) the back side is usually raw.


Craig


 
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rwayne

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Subject : RE: thin substrate
Posted : 2009-09-11 11:30 AM
Post #35702 - In reply to #35701
Thanks Craig-- that is what I was talking about .I remember some hardboard that was shinny on one side and kind of rough on the other. I'll probably stay away from hardboard for a while. I want to do several practice pieces and learn how to veneer first.
Thanks again
Ron


 
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dale kern

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Subject : RE: thin substrate
Posted : 2009-09-13 9:34 AM
Post #35703 - In reply to #35702
Ron,

I don't know where in central Illinois you reside, but one supplier I have used is in Pekin, IL. Their website is:

http://www.woodworkersshop.com/

I believe they also have a store in Bloomington.

Dale


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: thin substrate
Posted : 2009-09-13 10:10 AM
Post #35704 - In reply to #35701
Hey Craig:
On a forum somewhere I once saw a post saying "hardboard" had an impregnated oil, oil used in the manufacturing, or some such thing and as a result some glue wouldn't adhere well. You ever see such an animal?
Don


 
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Patrick McMahon

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Subject : RE: thin substrate
Posted : 2009-09-14 8:40 AM
Post #35707 - In reply to #35704
Only a observation.
I've never used it in a finished product, but i've used tempered 1/8" and 1/4" hard board in. making mock ups for bent laminations (legs,chair seats and backs ) I use unibond in a vacuum bag. Looking around the shop, all the mock ups are in good shape with no delamination, some with some pretty radical curves.
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