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Brian Gray

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Subject : Man, this place has been boring....
Posted : 2007-09-01 1:31 AM
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Except for porn threads, this place has had no activity for quite a while!

Is it too hot for veneering?




 
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Dave Shaw

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Subject : RE: Man, this place has been boring....
Posted : 2007-09-01 6:27 PM
Post #34025 - In reply to #34024
Hi Brian, I agree this is a very slow moving site at the moment. So for your reading pleasure and mental exercise, how would you sand this marquetry project without getting the black background dust into her holly face? I'm planning to just use a ROS with a shop vacuum attached. Hopefully I can attach a file (pix)so you can see the problem.

Dave
Attached file : lady - violet hat close up.JPG (24KB - 273 downloads)



 
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Brian Gray

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Subject : RE: Man, this place has been boring....
Posted : 2007-09-02 9:10 AM
Post #34026 - In reply to #34025
Very nice, Dave.

I have a Festool Rotex with their dust collector, and I gotta say, it's VERY impressive when it comes to dust collection.

But even so, I think that little bits of dust will get into your holly.

If you want to try power tools, maybe a compressor to blow any excess dust out of the holly from time to time.

However, as long as everything is level, I'd probably play it safe and sand very carefully by hand.

Please report back on how it goes...I've had dust bleed onto light veneers, and it's frustrating...


 
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Dave Shaw

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Subject : RE: Man, this place has been boring....
Posted : 2007-09-02 12:35 PM
Post #34027 - In reply to #34026
Hi Brian,

Thanks for the compliment. It really surprises me how few pieces are needed to make a beautiful Art Deco piece.

I was planning to use compressed air too, even though I worry a little about just driving the dust deeper. I'll also clean my shop vac just before I sand this to get maximum suction. I have a little 3mm denium lapis cabachon that I'll file down to the right shape for the iris in her exposed eye. Once that is inlaid and sealed maybe I'll try adding a few wash coats of acrylic artists paints for some eye shadow. Then spray a couple of wash coats of ultra pale dewaxed shellac followed by a couple of coats of polycarbonate (Target 9300.)

The idea of hand sanding has a lot of appeal, especially since this whole panel is only about 8" x 18". Don't think it would take long to do it and if that reduces the risk of her looking like she just made a long train ride (steam locomotive, a primative form of transportation) I'm all for it.

Anyone else want to jump in on this? I'm open for all opinions and suggestions.

Dave


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: Man, this place has been boring....
Posted : 2007-09-02 8:25 PM
Post #34028 - In reply to #34027
I'd second the suggestion to use a card scraper, especially since the project is small.


 
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Dave Shaw

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Subject : RE: Man, this place has been boring....
Posted : 2007-09-02 10:32 PM
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Hi Don,

Great suggestion with the card scraper. The thought never occurred to me. I think I'll just press a test panel and try sanding on one side and scraping on the other. This will be good for me since this seems to be a somewhat recurring problem.

Dave


 
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Don Stephan

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Subject : RE: Man, this place has been boring....
Posted : 2007-09-05 10:20 PM
Post #34031 - In reply to #34030
I used some random orbit sanding (150, 220) and card scraping on a set of panels having fiddleback mahogany, generic dyed black, and maple veneers. Finish schedule was thin boiled linseed oil followed by 5-6 coats of padded dewaxed pale shellac. Didn't really see any black contamination of the maple.

http://www.stephanwoodworking.com click on "Display Cabinets, Stands and Tables" and on the next page click "Details and larger image" for the commando knife collection.

Another example can also be found on the "Display Cabinets ..." page. Scroll down to "Some of the Display Stand Top Possibilities" and click "Details and larger image." If memory is correct, I simply sanded all the tops and didn't use a card scraper at all. Sanding schedule would have been 80, 150, 220 with random orbit sander and then 320 by hand.

But experimenting would be your best course. Good luck.

Don


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Man, this place has been boring....
Posted : 2007-09-06 8:56 PM
Post #34032 - In reply to #34024
Well Brian, it may actually be your fault in part that its so boring here lately, with the help of other as well.

See, I get regular calls from people who read this forum and tell me how they spend hours and days here collecting information. In fact they get so much information that I'm often told that most all there questions get answered reading through the posts. So, because of all the good posting with great answers you and others have provided over the years, people don't have many question these days. In some ways this is a good thing, but it does make for a quiet forum.

Now if only Paris Hilton would take up vacuum veneering then we would have a hopping forum!! I'm sure you'd be happy to give her a few marquetry tips, Brian.

Darryl


 
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Brian Gray

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Subject : RE: Man, this place has been boring....
Posted : 2007-09-06 10:40 PM
Post #34033 - In reply to #34032
Hey Darryl...

You know I was just joking, right?

When I first read your post, I thought you were ticked at me for posting it...but now I re-read it, and I think that I understand...it's all of our good collective info that leads to not so many posts because you can find answers in the archives, right?

I wanna make sure that you know that the post was a light-hearted observation...didnt want to stir anything up.

And if Paris Hilton wanted to take up marquetry, we wouldn't need vacuum pumps.

(sorry, if you want to delete that little quip, feel free...I couldn't resist.)

And also, maybe I have't contributed much because I'm in limbo in regards to shop space. I have had two mortgages for a year now, and we just sold the house. So now that cash has freed up, I will probably pour a foundation before xmas, and then have my new shop built by the spring. Then I'll be back in the veneering saddle!


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Man, this place has been boring....
Posted : 2007-09-07 7:18 AM
Post #34034 - In reply to #34033
Brian,

I absolutely knew you were joking and your post was completely fine. I was joking too, the first line at least.

I wanted you and others to know the positive effect all your great posts have made, and maybe why its been a little sleepy here. I think its also that summer is more of an outdoor time and woodworking is more of an indoor thing. Our business always slows down in the summer and starts to pick back up in the fall.

I also find it amusing that porn folks go out of their way to register here just to make a link to some porn site. Seems like a waste of time to me.

Good luck with your new shop space.

Darryl
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