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DEAN

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Subject : veneering over solid wood
Posted : 2007-03-09 8:45 PM
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Please explain this cross banding to apply veneer to solid wood. Do you use 2 layers of veneer? Do you glue and press one layer over the wood going opposite the grain on the solid wood and then glue and press your fancy face veneer to the first layer of veneer???? Do I also layer the backer veneer. When cross banding does all layers have to be the same species of veneer.

I have done some veneering but only using MDF as a substrate but would like to built some furniture using a combination of MDF and solid wood.

Any help would be appreciated.


 
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Subject : RE: veneering over solid wood
Posted : 2007-03-10 8:34 AM
Post #33696 - In reply to #33695

To me anyway, it depends in part what kind of solid wood you are talking about, and how big your pieces of solid wood will be.


 
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DEAN

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Subject : RE: veneering over solid wood
Posted : 2007-03-10 9:54 AM
Post #33697 - In reply to #33696

2 examples I'm thinking of:

A round table top with mdf as a core and edging of 2"-3" as border with apron.
Bendable plywood 12"-15" wide and about 36" long.


 
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Subject : RE: veneering over solid wood
Posted : 2007-03-11 2:49 PM
Post #33699 - In reply to #33697

I done a couple tabletops similar to your first example - an MDF core with solid wood edging.

In one case, the top and bottom veneers were run slightly beyond the edges of the MDF, and after the glue had cured the sandwich was trimmed on the table saw. After that, solid wood edging about 2" wide was glued to the edges of the MDF, then carefully leveled to the veneer with scrapers and hand planes. Haven't had any problems in the 3 or so years since it was put together.

In the other example the only difference was the hardwood edging was only about 1" wide, enough to take a molded edge formed with a router.

I haven't made a rectangular table top using glued solid wood edging to MDF and then veneered to the outer edge of the edging, because I wasn't sure how it would look with the surface veneer running one direction and the edge grain (on the ends) at right angles. On a couple round starburst veneer tables with quartersawn veneer edge banding, the top was fully veneered and then trimmed to final radius with a router. A strip of veneer was then glued to the edge of the MDF, eliminating the need for hardwood edging. On a couple round tables with simple slip matched veneer top I veneered the round substrate, trimmed round with the router, and then applied 2" thick hardwood edging as 8 sectors around the circumference. After the glue cured, the hardwood was also routed round and given a bullnose edge.

I'm not sure what the 2nd example would be like, perhaps you could elucidate?


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: veneering over solid wood
Posted : 2007-03-11 9:25 PM
Post #33700 - In reply to #33697

Dean,

I'm confused. Are you trying to veneer over all solid wood or an MDF panel with solid wood edging? Your first post says to me its all solid wood but your second one says something else.

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Darryl Keil


 
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DEAN

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Subject : RE: veneering over solid wood
Posted : 2007-03-12 7:56 PM
Post #33703 - In reply to #33700

Maybe I very confused.
I have veneered over MDF as a substrate several times. No problem!
I would like to learn how to veneer over a solid wood substrate and also how to veneer over a MDF substrate with a solid wood edging such as a round table top with a routed edging on it. I know that I route a edging on the MDF but I don't think it would hold up over time, so I would like to add a wood egding and then veneer over the entire service.

I hope this explains my idea more clearly.

Dean



 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: veneering over solid wood
Posted : 2007-03-12 9:33 PM
Post #33704 - In reply to #33703

Dean,

OK, so you want to understand both.

When veneering over solid wood you run the grain of the veneer in the same direction as the solid wood. This way they can move together.

When veneering over a solid edge you need to run a backer veneer under the face veneer at 90 degrees. If you neglect to put down a sub veneer there is a high probability that the joint between the MDF and solid edging will telegraph through you veneer over time. The backer veneer protects against this.

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Darryl Keil


 
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DEAN

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Subject : RE: veneering over solid wood
Posted : 2007-03-13 9:35 PM
Post #33706 - In reply to #33704

Thank you Daryl, your explanation makes every very clear.

Should you use the same species of veneer as is the solid wood you're veneering over, or can you use like cherry over a poplar base?

Dean


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: veneering over solid wood
Posted : 2007-03-14 6:28 PM
Post #33711 - In reply to #33706

Dean,

You do not have to use the same woods for veneer and solid. Cherry over poplar would be fine.

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Darryl Keil


 
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DEAN

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Subject : RE: veneering over solid wood
Posted : 2007-03-14 8:29 PM
Post #33712 - In reply to #33711

Daryl,

Thanks a lot. You are most helpful without being snooty about it.
I really appreciate the help you have given me.

Dean



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