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Alan T.

 
Subject : Sand through veneer
Posted : 2004-05-20 12:51 AM
Post #31535
I have a table top that's 10" x 52" that's veneered that I just sanded through an area about 2" square. It's surrounded by a maple inlay and walnut border so I'd like to save it. The veneer is dark and grainy and the sand through spot is a much lighter( MDF substrate) area so it really stands out. Any ideas? Just start over? Thanks


 
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Darryl Keil

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Location: Maine

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Subject : RE: Sand through veneer
Posted : 2004-05-21 9:52 AM
Post #31541 - In reply to #31535
Alan,

Ah yes, the dreaded sand through. How we all fear it and that sinking feeling when we take a close look and there it is, the substrate peeking up at us.

As far as a good fix I do one of two things, after I finish crying. One is to touch up the area with a combination of magic markers, colored pencils and acrylic artists paint. This depends on how bad the sand through is. If its real bad this method usually doesn't work so well. Second it to cut out the sanded through area and piece in fresh veneer. This only works with certain grain figure in a place where the patch wont jump out at you. Be aware about possible color change of the veneer when using the first method. You can touch it up now and in a year when the veneer has become lighter or darker your touch up can jump out at you.

Of course you can redo it which I have. The key here is to access it early on before you spend lots of time fussing only to decide you have to start over.

Sincerely
Darryl Keil


 
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Alan

 
Subject : RE: Sand through veneer
Posted : 2004-05-22 1:36 AM
Post #31542 - In reply to #31541
Thanks Darryl. I'm finished crying so I can move forward now. I want to try to put in a patch. I'm thinking of using an inlay technique but how would you do it? Is there some way to remove just a small area of veneer and replace with a patch? Thanks Alan


 
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Carl Morrell

 
Subject : RE: Sand through veneer
Posted : 2004-05-22 8:17 AM
Post #31543 - In reply to #31542
I remember the first time that happened to me. I contacted Darryl, and his advise I have expoused to many of my friends:

"We all make miskates, the difference between an amateur and a pro is how well we recover from those mistakes".

The most important advise from my Dad was:

"If you are going to take the time to do something, do it right".

I know this does not directly answer your question. But does it at least help you set the tone for you to determine what to do next?

Carl


 
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Darryl Keil

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Subject : RE: Sand through veneer
Posted : 2004-05-22 10:20 AM
Post #31544 - In reply to #31542
Alan,

There's no right way to do it but this is the way I recommend. First, cut the patch to the size that you want and place it exactly where it will go. Using a sharp x-acto type knife trace around your patch cutting into the veneer on the panel. Now you should have a exact tracing of your patch cut into the previously veneered panel. Remove the patch and with a router set to the veneer depth rout out the sand through area close to the knife line you made. I prefer a small laminate type router for this as its easier to move around and not go over the knife line. With a knife and chisel clean out the remanding veneer up to the knife line. Test fit your patch and adjust accordingly. When you make your knife cut around the patch angle the knife slighty so the final fit will be tighter.

I suggest doing a sample test run on some scrape veneered panel to get the feel of how it works

Good luck

Sincerely
Darryl Keil


 
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Alan

 
Subject : RE: Sand through veneer
Posted : 2004-05-25 1:36 AM
Post #31555 - In reply to #31544
Darryl, Thanks for the very detailed description. I'll give it a try and see how it goes. I appreciate your help.


 
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Earl

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Subject : RE: Sand through veneer
Posted : 2004-05-25 9:27 AM
Post #31556 - In reply to #31555
Alan, may I offer a tip. Don't try to cut in the patch too close to the edges of the sand thru. This is because the veneer is thinner and may make leveling complicated. ( as in another sand thru) I would allow a little extra room around the edge of the sand thru.


 
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Alan

 
Subject : RE: Sand through veneer
Posted : 2004-05-27 12:59 AM
Post #31566 - In reply to #31556
Earl, That makes sense and I thank you. Alan


 
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Thomas Hirsz Woodwor

 
Subject : RE: Sand through veneer
Posted : 2004-06-05 8:17 AM
Post #31579 - In reply to #31566
I'm not a veneer expert but if it were me I'd remove a long tapered strip, shaped like a stretched out football following the grain, to make it more invisible. I use long scarf joints to splice together solid wood sometimes and it is amazing how hardit is to see the joint.


 
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Larry Schweitzer

 
Subject : RE: Sand through veneer
Posted : 2004-08-01 6:31 PM
Post #31691 - In reply to #31535
I've used a "recess and insert" guide bushing set on my router to do this. I gives an exact recess in the bad panel and allows you to cut a perfect snap in place patch. You can make the patch any shape you want, the process uses a 1/8" dia. bit. Larry
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